Wellington Wednesday Night Cruisy Summer Rides (TCWNR) 2010-2011

[Hans]

Don't know what you could learn from me... Off to TSS now and I've printed the last 3 pages off for him so he can have a read :-)

[Hans]

May I set the poor boy straight to all that are following this thread....

As always there are 2 sides to the story and so far we have only heard 1 from the guy that was coming the other way not wanting to go on the wednesday rides for his own reasons.
The other side of the story was told to me from the young boy riding as soon as he got off the bike at the pub he came straight up to me and said "I fucked up"
I said what did you do, and he said "I was following a real slow lady driver in a car and I thought the road was clear ahead, so I pulled out to overtake her, and at that moment is when another bike came the other way, so i quickly pulled back in again" I said hmmm thats wasnt such a good move and he agreed.

Assuming it wasnt done at speed as he was stuck behind a slow driver, and didnt intentionally mean to pull out and cause a near miss between 2 bikes, by now I think hes realised it wasnt such a good move.

He is young and rides a 250 and the rides are for low experience riders and cruisers, so looking at what happened, I reckon he was on the correct ride.
A: He is now that little more experienced.....
B: Im sure hes learnt from this episode and wont attempt another dumb passing manoeuver unless he is certain the way is clear.
C: NO ONE can control what a single rider does on his own bike when he is on a public road, it is up to the individual to ride responsibly and carefully to the best of their ability.

So lets not judge a rider or even the whole wednesday night ride because of a small incident (which could have turned nasty, but didnt) from 1 rider.

Lets all learn from the mistake and move on.

Like katie pie said she's never had a problem, Ive never had a problem on the rides either.

Last week did we call the 675 man a COCK for running off the road because he didnt take a corner?

and 1 question for Hans.... Have you EVER made a bad decision in your motorcycling career?? (if you say no your are lying... if you say yes shall we call you a cock and never ride with you again?)

lets move on from this, He didnt mean to do it intentionally!

Not at speed? So a closing speed of 120-140 isn't enough? Screw me with a barge pole. No one is calling Cloggy anything because he made a technical error which nearly cost HIM. The other guy made a bad call that could've cost me. I've made plenty of errors. None of them ever endangered anyone but myself. It's called TIME AND PLACE. The difference should be obvious.

[White trash]

Don't know what you could learn from me... Off to TSS now and I've printed the last 3 pages off for him so he can have a read :-)

I'm sure he'll appreciate the opportunity to appologise in person.

Go easy on a young feel eh?

[carbonhed]

Go easy on a young feel eh?

Crikey! What did you do to him?

[White trash]

Crikey! What did you do to him?

Fella

[davebullet]

May I set the poor boy straight to all that are following this thread....

As always there are 2 sides to the story and so far we have only heard 1 from the guy that was coming the other way not wanting to go on the wednesday rides for his own reasons.
The other side of the story was told to me from the young boy riding as soon as he got off the bike at the pub he came straight up to me and said "I fucked up"
I said what did you do, and he said "I was following a real slow lady driver in a car and I thought the road was clear ahead, so I pulled out to overtake her, and at that moment is when another bike came the other way, so i quickly pulled back in again" I said hmmm thats wasnt such a good move and he agreed.

Assuming it wasnt done at speed as he was stuck behind a slow driver, and didnt intentionally mean to pull out and cause a near miss between 2 bikes, by now I think hes realised it wasnt such a good move.

He is young and rides a 250 and the rides are for low experience riders and cruisers, so looking at what happened, I reckon he was on the correct ride.
A: He is now that little more experienced.....
B: Im sure hes learnt from this episode and wont attempt another dumb passing manoeuver unless he is certain the way is clear.
C: NO ONE can control what a single rider does on his own bike when he is on a public road, it is up to the individual to ride responsibly and carefully to the best of their ability.

So lets not judge a rider or even the whole wednesday night ride because of a small incident (which could have turned nasty, but didnt) from 1 rider.

Lets all learn from the mistake and move on.

Like katie pie said she's never had a problem, Ive never had a problem on the rides either.

Last week did we call the 675 man a COCK for running off the road because he didnt take a corner?

and 1 question for Hans.... Have you EVER made a bad decision in your motorcycling career?? (if you say no your are lying... if you say yes shall we call you a cock and never ride with you again?)

lets move on from this, He didnt mean to do it intentionally!

Yes there are 2 sides, but only one is right. - ok just kidding.

I suppose if people are part of a group ride - they need to follow rules of the ride - fair enough?

He might have learnt - but what about the next new guy that comes along without any basic rules for a group ride? Same thing again...

It's good the dude apologised - didn't know the rider, so couldn't direct the apology etc... I'm sure he learned.

Let's cut that off at the chase.

Had he not crossed the centre line - no issue. Basic rule upfront.

I know there are heaps of people that know when to overtake on the 'takas over the double yellows when you know the road, visibility like the back of your hand.... I have one particular bend I'll do that on - but won't do it with group rides of unfamiliar riders

Anyone signing up to the wednesday night ride needs to put that out the window - as skill levels are unknown of fellow riders (different people come and go). Therefore sane maximums make sense (the 3 rules - like the 3 sacred scrolls).

[Str8 Jacket]

Matt - this aint just about the guy last night. Its been going on for aaages now and this just highlights yet another incident.
The rides were set up for a purpose and I would love to see Bruce's memory honoured not shit on like it is now.

[Hans]

Ok. We've sorted it out in person. Let's speak of that particular incident no more.

[Str8 Jacket]

Ok. We've sorted it out in person. Let's speak of that particular incident no more.

Good to hear!

[carbonhed]

Seems weird to me that 90% of the discussion on this incident is from people who have either never or seldom even bothered to show up for the ride. Plus it's about a beginner who I don't even recall riding with before.

I actually caught up with the guy on the way back over the hill and he was ringing the nuts of that little bike... which is cool but... there's nothing in reserve and erratic would be an understatement. ADHD on wheels. He just needs to calm the fuck down and ride predictably when he's in a big bunch with strangers.

The regulars seem to manage to sort themselves out into a pecking order based on speed and intent and there's usually hardly any overtaking anyway... unless you're waved through.

The problem seems to arise when we've got newbs down the back who want to demonstrate their madskills by carving up the slower riders. Unfortunately we're only reacting with outrage when it's happened rather than being proactive and laying down the law beforehand.

I hate rules and as for Hels taking charge...IMHO don't call us we'll call you.

What about a statement of intent before each ride?

This is not a race.
We all want to get home safely.
Don't let your ego take control.
When you're riding in a bunch ride smoothly and predictably.
If you're fast go towards the front of the group. If you get caught behind slower riders just chill the fuck out and look after them. Maybe you can offer some helpful advice at the Royal.
All the responsibilty for the overtake lies with the overtaker.
We all want to get home safely.
This is not a race.


Much as I love just turning up and riding with mates I know and trust (except Cloggy ) we'd probably better sort something out before the good weather brings out the hordes.

My2c.

[James Deuce]

Hey. Carbonhed. Pure comedy. That's meant to be satirical, right?

[carbonhed]

Hey. Carbonhed. Pure comedy. That's meant to be satirical, right?

91%

[_STAIN_]

Seems weird to me that 90% of the discussion on this incident is from people who have either never or seldom even bothered to show up for the ride. Plus it's about a beginner who I don't even recall riding with before.

+1 from another regular rider...

[Hans]

Hey. Carbonhed. Pure comedy. That's meant to be satirical, right?

I hope so. @Carbonhed: Maybe these people used to turn up at the WNR before it became like it was last year. Maybe some of these people used to turn up for 4-5 years solid before you even joined KB. Maybe one of the figures connected with the ride died on the same weekend as two other riders. These other two were involved in a head-on. Join the dots to see why this whole thing might be an issue close to the hearts of some of the people you refer to.

[Str8 Jacket]

I hope so. @Carbonhed: Maybe these people used to turn up at the WNR before it became like it was last year. Maybe some of these people used to turn up for 4-5 years solid before you even joined KB. Maybe one of the figures connected with the ride died on the same weekend as two other riders. These other two were involved in a head-on. Join the dots to see why this whole thing might be an issue close to the hearts of some of the people you refer to.

Yes, maybe we were there from the beginning and rode them for a few years maybe we used to help organise them.

Don't worry carbonhead, I don't intend on coming along with attitudes such as yours. I really don't want to have to scoop someone off the road.