Give Way rule poised to change

**Banditbandit** · 29th September 2010, 13:04

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Dear God, how the hell are us woman going to cope now?!?!

Oh .. I'm sorry .. I didn't think you cope now

**Gibbo89** · 29th September 2010, 13:04

Originally Posted by Max Preload

No. More likely the system used in Australia will be used where different bikes are classified suitable for provisional license holders based on their factory output and weight figures.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...iceriders.html

ahh ok, so 2 stroke 250's are shafted. and parallel 500's are all good.

sooo what if you already own a rs250 and are a learner driver. they will come around to your house and ban you from driving your vehicle??

**bogan** · 29th September 2010, 13:06

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Since I have moved to a full-head helmet I have found that it's virtually impossible to apply lipstick whilst riding now!

I can just imagine a line full of blnde-like woman sitting at an intersection not moving as they are completely confused....

thats what the lippy is for! make yourself look pretty so some dude will stop and let you through.

**Max Preload** · 29th September 2010, 13:10

Originally Posted by Gibbo89

ahh ok, so 2 stroke 250's are shafted. and parallel 500's are all good.

sooo what if you already own a rs250 and are a learner driver. they will come around to your house and ban you from driving your vehicle??

Nah. They'll just wait until they catch you riding it and give you a $100 invoice and 35 demerit points.

**slofox** · 29th September 2010, 13:10

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

I can just imagine a line full of blnde-like woman sitting at an intersection not moving as they are completely confused....

I see that most days now...not all blondes though...not all women either, actually...came across a guy today stopped right in the middle of the road at the head of a T intersection...just sitting there. God know what he was doing...or thinking...or not thinking. Was still there as I disappeared into the distance...

**ukusa** · 29th September 2010, 13:25

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

I happen to like the current rules, and don't find them confusing.

I agree 100%.
I wonder how many bikers will get killed when the rules changes? We'll take our new left turn, but the dumb arse in the cage will still think they have the right of way and BAMMMM the biker is gone!

**aprilia_RS250** · 29th September 2010, 13:28

Originally Posted by Gibbo89

ahh ok, so 2 stroke 250's are shafted. and parallel 500's are all good.

sooo what if you already own a rs250 and are a learner driver. they will come around to your house and ban you from driving your vehicle??

I had an RS250 with an L Plate attached

nothing ever happened to me. Although I was mature and careful with it, still am.

Fuck I hate our government

**Str8 Jacket** · 29th September 2010, 13:32

Originally Posted by ukusa

I agree 100%.
I wonder how many bikers will get killed when the rules changes? We'll take our new left turn, but the dumb arse in the cage will still think they have the right of way and BAMMMM the biker is gone!

We'll just have to do what we do now and treat everyone like they haven't seen us or that they are out to harm us. Simple!

**slofox** · 29th September 2010, 14:04

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

We'll just have to do what we do now and treat everyone like they haven't seen us or that they are out to harm us. Simple!

Eggsackery. I never trust anyone to do the right thing under current rules let alone after a change. Scanning and planning and defensive riding will protect you better than any rule.

**pzkpfw** · 29th September 2010, 14:21

Originally Posted by Max Preload

A 4-way intersection with neither road having a centreline that crosses the intersection is treated like a roundabout (just like a signal controlled intersection where the signals are out) in that you give way to the right...

Well, sure. That's not confusing at all (no sarcasm to be read in here), and is no change from what currently happens. I've got no issue with that.

What annoys me is that the rule for who gives way will now be different, when both cars are turning right, depending on road layout.

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You now need to add the "main road" (versus "side road") distinction, to use in making give-way decisions, when before it was just "give way to your right".

**bogan** · 29th September 2010, 14:37

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

You now need to add the "main road" (versus "side road") distinction, to use in making give-way decisions, when before it was just "give way to your right".

nah, you just need to make sure the local council has added some give way signs! I can't actually think of any 4 way intersections without signage anyway.

**Max Preload** · 29th September 2010, 15:24

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

Well, sure. That's not confusing at all (no sarcasm to be read in here), and is no change from what currently happens. I've got no issue with that.

What annoys me is that the rule for who gives way will now be different, when both cars are turning right, depending on road layout.

You now need to add the "main road" (versus "side road") distinction, to use in making give-way decisions, when before it was just "give way to your right".

I'm in complete agreement. People who thinks this change makes it easier just haven't thought it through.

Isn't there already a 'MAIN ROAD' rule anyway?

Originally Posted by bogan

nah, you just need to make sure the local council has added some give way signs! I can't actually think of any 4 way intersections without signage anyway.

Me either. Even uncontrolled T-junctions are getting rare.

**pzkpfw** · 29th September 2010, 16:19

Originally Posted by Max Preload

Isn't there already a 'MAIN ROAD' rule anyway?

Me either. Even uncontrolled T-junctions are getting rare.

I think that might be part of the issue.

They stick so many Give Ways on the "side roads" that people get used to the "main road" having right of way, then get confused when they have to give way to someone on the side road (when "for a change" there's no give way sign on that "side road").

After the rule has changed and that "main road" car has right of way over the "side road" car - there will be intersections with their old give way signs, and intersections without... and the rules will be the same with or without the sign. Another oddity!

**scumdog** · 29th September 2010, 16:57

Originally Posted by Max Preload

Well then, consider it confusing. A 4-way intersection with neither road having a centreline that crosses the intersection is treated like a roundabout (just like a signal controlled intersection where the signals are out) in that you give way to the right...

In the USA those intersections not controlled by Stop or Yield (Give Way) sign had a four-way stop. system with a flashing red light facing all approaching roads/streets.

Everybody had to stop on reaching the intersection.
First to arrive at the intersection was first to drive off, it worked like a charm, nobody 'jumped the gun'

With NZ drivers and their immature attitudes it would be carnage if they implemented that system here...