Auckland Group Ride - Saturday 11/06/05

[bugjuice]

bugger.. i miss riding.. wish i had caught up on this one..

Lim, sux mate, that you crashed out. Feint text me to fill me in a bit, sounds nasty, but glad you're ok, and sounds like it's just bad luck rather than bad riding, so good on ya there.

The fact that people crash/bin is just that. Doesn't matter where you are or who you're with, it's the unfortunate nature of the beast that we have to ride with. If you crash, you crash. Doesn't matter if you're by yourself or with a hundred other bikes. Shit happens. Deal with it, move it on. Everyone knows to ride within their limits, if they can't, then that's for them to deal with or make do with the consequences. It's nothing to do with KB, fellow KBers, the road or any individual. It's been that way, it is that way, it'll stay that way. If you have an issue with this, then perhaps KB isn't the best place for you, cos we all love our bikes and we all love meeting up and riding together, cos if we don't stick together and help each other out when we all need it, being the KB family we are, then where's the fun?

In the 6 months I've been with KB, I've fukin loved every minute of it, and everything that's done with the people and events. For those that think the rides are prone to crashes, well that's the wrong negative attitude, and it's not the best place here, cos we're all fun lovin bikers. There's hundreds of threads on crashes, attitude problems, expectations, boycots etc etc, we just need to move on out of that and get on with biking. Else everyone is just gonna get sick of talking about the same shit on here, sell the bike(s) and just go off on your own thing. Still got the same chances of crashing even then. Personally, I hope I never crash. I've been with my brother every second of his accident, and I'm glad I was there for him, rather than being alone. That was shit to see him with his foot up by his knee, but I can't imagine being there alone. And that was before I even knew anything about KB.

So for all those who want to come here and be negative posting about 'crashing' and 'speeding' and 'anti-cop' behaviour etc etc blah blah, thanx, but please kindly fuck off. we all learn from our own and others' mistakes. We don't need people clogging up valuable stories with negative shit in the middle, cos then it takes to focus off the real issue of the post.

/rant.

[James Deuce]

(snip)
So for all those who want to come here and be negative posting about 'crashing' and 'speeding' and 'anti-cop' behaviour etc etc blah blah, thanx, but please kindly fuck off. we all learn from our own and others' mistakes. We don't need people clogging up valuable stories with negative shit in the middle, cos then it takes to focus off the real issue of the post.

/rant.

It might be a rant, but I'm getting a bit tired of the fact that no one should DARE hold a counter view, particularly one that holds bikers in a bad light.

The point that the "negative" people are trying to make is that people DON'T seem to learn from their mistakes, and that there has been a great deal of schoolboy sniggering about "accidents" in the recent past, like it's some kind of joke. Every time a biker gets hurt it adds to a collective pot of anti-biker ill will that results in increased costs to register a bike. I get to pay more money to enjoy my hobby because someone fell off and broke their wrist/ankle/collar bone/damn fool neck like I did. Every injury accident I've had I haven't gone, "Ooo great ACC will pick up the pieces", I've lamented the fact to myself that I was stupid enough to get myself involved in a situation where I hurt myself and now everybody I like to hang out with gets to pay for it through a Government mandated insurance system.

Motorcycling has risks and we have to accept them.... Hang on a minute, no we bloody don't. We should be trying to shorten the odds, not making excuses for falling off, buggering someone's day off, and generally making life hard for yourself. We should be cataloguing our collective mistakes, celebrating the fact that whoever crashed was BRAVE enough to tell everyone else (a sure sign of gheyness in NZ "machismo" society) what they did wrong. Instead we seem to be heading down the track of lightly glossing over one of the best resources to help other people avoid the same problems. So that the "negative" people won;t be mean to the n00bs/It-Wasn't-My-Fault/I-Have-NO-Idea-WTF-Happened-And-Gee-Did-You_see-That-And-Wasn't-It-Funny brigade.

Very few people on this site ask themselves how they contributed to their accident. When it is suggested that they do, the suggestor, who has usually had to learn THAT lesson the hard way, gets told, and I quote without revealing the original poster, "you can go and fuck off".

Is that what you want? Should we "negative" people who are pressuring you guys to higher levels of personal understanding and responsibility "fuck off"? I'm not "fucking off" BECAUSE I'M NOT LETTING YOU LOT RUIN MY FAVOURITE THING.

Mr Skid said it -"Free and frank discussion". Anything else is censorship. If you can't handle the criticism, don't fall off.

[bugjuice]

it's not the crit that I'm on about, or the people that are man enough (not ghay) to say, yeah, I fukt up, and this is what happened...... blah blah. 'kin good on 'em, and I give them a ton of green rep. That's not the 'negative' I'm on about, nor those who offer advice or comment on it.

The people who I can't stand are those who I see as 'negative' by constantly dragging up the past and bang on about how to ride. Yeah, say what you mean, give advice but the broken record thing can be a bit choking in the forum. You can take a horse to water... but you can't drown it in the sea of what's been said before.

It's just the people who say 'those KB rides always end in tears' that are the negative ones, cos most often, they haven't been on a ride to comment, and add no value to the thread. All the rides I've been on have been more for the social aspect and experiance from other riders.

I'm with you, Jim. We should all be learning, we shouldn't gloss over things, and definately shouldn't think that any bin is funny. Nothing like that is funny. period. This place is a place to talk about what happened in the accident, how you'd do it differently, see how other people acted in that situation etc. That's no negative. That's what we need to learn about. Those comments are hopefully what the poor bugger who crashed, should be taking on board. It's the people who start saying the irrelivant stuff that we don't want to read about, and repeat things that have been said a million times before about something complete unrelated to the topic. It's all becoming the same thing. The comments should contribute, not slag off. If that person who crashed out, doesn't take the positive crit on board, then what can you do about it? nothing. That's their problem, you can't shove it down their throat, cos they won't listen like that. If people aren't taking in what's being said, then they will learn the hard way, just have to hope it's not too hard.

I think you might have taken my comments slightly wrong, but I see your point. I'm not against the construcitve negative stuff (as nasty as some can be), but it's just the pointless negative repetitive stuff we can do without. You have to want to learn from your experiance, else you won't learn period. Life is about learning, no matter what

[FEINT]

I agree with the both on you on learning from mistakes. But why do we have so many people yapping away at a bin? Just because one person bins, why does the thread become seperated by two groups of people?

In this instance, it wasn't bad riding, but wrong place wrong time. So there is nothing more to post on.

I disagree with some of the comments posted about what should have been done, how it should have been done etc.... there was nothing that could have been done.

Enough of this.... Why can't a ride just be ride?

My point probably is, lim has already had a bad day. If I was him, I wouldn't want to come on to KB and read all this negative stuff about the bin. He isn't too upset, i don't know why we all are.

[Fart]

I think that everyone who buys a bike knows that there is a certain high risk factor. A bike pushes our adrenline and our ego more than a car. Why else would we buy one?

A debate is good, but negative and person attacks are not. So, keep it clean and sweet to the point guys.

[limmy]

hehe. i think everyone is getting too worked up about something that happens to just about every biker on the thread. i recon we should close the thread and call it a day.

[FEINT]

hehe. i think everyone is getting too worked up about something that happens to just about every biker on the thread. i recon we should close the thread and call it a day.

you should be proud, i saw you do a rolling stoppie!!!!!!

[bugjuice]

you should be proud, i saw you do a rolling stoppie!!!!!!

lamo... wish I had seen that!!

Good on ya Lim, hope you're sorted out soon. Let me know if I can help you out anywhere (sorry, can't borrow the 636 tho...)

[White trash]

If you can't handle the criticism, don't fall off.

i did a wheelie and fell off one day.

You critisizing me, pal?!

[bugjuice]

i did a wheelie and fell off one day.

You critisizing me, pal?!

you're crap then, aren't you?





pt

[White trash]

you're crap then, aren't you?





pt

Obviously.

[James Deuce]

i did a wheelie and fell off one day.

You critisizing me, pal?!

Oath! But only because your twig like stature presents no threat whatsoever.

Bugjuice - sorry dude - I did read that wrong. Hope you can forgive me.

[White trash]

Oath! But only because your twig like stature presents no threat whatsoever.

That right? Well you've obviously never seen a Gixxer 1K, spinning out of control, on its side down the motorway towards you at 100mph. Bloody hard buggers to dodge, them.

[bugjuice]

Bugjuice - sorry dude - I did read that wrong. Hope you can forgive me.

already forgotten dude

[MadDuck]

I have absolutely NO problem with people on the forums having an opinion either way about anything. Its what makes the site alive and a lot fun and a place to learn.

BUT here was a thread about what a brilliant time we had on a ride. Can we not just put our personal opinions in the "Rave on" or summit thread as the loudest ideas (opinions) have come from people that werent on the ride. It kinda put a dampner on the whole day reading this tonight.

I for one will go on the next KB ride (if its for slow snails like me) no worries. Like Limmy said "time to call it a day and close the thread".