I've used a Ventura pack-rack for a number of years ... putting it forward of the rack frame helped with weight placement issues. But it really wasn't an issue on my FJ. I had more problems with wind catching it ...
I have a tank bag, plus two Givi (36 litre)panniers and top box fitted now. If it cant fit on the bike now ... I dont need it ...
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
I also have a ventura frame with Rjays bag and find strong wind (a bit of that in lower nth island) pushes the bike around with bag on frame. This is only a problem on the faster long distance rides. I will still use the frame and Rjays bag for touring with the back pack filling the gap for day rides when wet weather gear etc needs to be carried.
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