The savages are restless

**imdying** · 28th October 2010, 17:31

It's tempting to post an image of a man raping a donkey, but I'm pretty sure they'll find me if google search that

**Swoop** · 28th October 2010, 19:06

Originally Posted by avgas

I mean it can't be that hard to find a bunch of fighter jets and their pilots....can it????

Just listen for drunken singing and chest-beating.
Avoid the helicopter pilots.

If in doubt, yell out "Badger!".

**98tls** · 28th October 2010, 19:22

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

You seem to have a firm understanding not to mention grasp of the $.No doubt soon enough many Pakeha will understand a little more eh as our children it seems are soon enough going to be forced into an hour a day of there lives wasted with Maori language

As if the worlds not full of enough ways to say "you owe us this".

**Dean** · 28th October 2010, 20:01

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Daniel_Carter_maori

**Winston001** · 28th October 2010, 20:14

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

I respect your points but after viewing the news clip, I have to say it looked damned intimidating. And deliberately so. The challenge was much more "in you face" than the traditional challenges we see on formal occasions.

Nevertheless the reaction of the media etc was overblown given that things calmed down afterwards.

Ignoring the silly racist stuff, this thread has some great humour in it

**Crasherfromwayback** · 28th October 2010, 20:34

Originally Posted by Winston001

I respect your points but after viewing the news clip, I have to say it looked damned intimidating. And deliberately so. The challenge was much more "in you face" than the traditional challenges we see on formal

My (original) point exactly. Well over the top, and no need/place for such aggression in today's society.

**davebullet** · 28th October 2010, 20:48

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

Most NZers are ignorant of maori custom - me included. All I saw was someone holding what looked like a weapon flailing it infront of someones face. In my culture it is an act of aggression. I've never seem the same used between maori so only assume it is a general act of aggression.

If I did the same thing but wore jeans and weilded a "best of David Lange speeches CD" in front of someone's face (David was known to be quite cutting), I'm sure there is charge that could be laid.

**98tls** · 28th October 2010, 20:52

Originally Posted by davebullet

If I did the same thing but wore jeans and weilded a "best of David Lange speeches CD" in front of someone's face (David was known to be quite cutting), I'm sure there is charge that could be laid.

That or confuse you with David Bain.

**SPman** · 29th October 2010, 16:41

Originally Posted by bb

The tribunal is not about establishing indigenaity as a class above the subsequent immigrant population - it's about addressing the grievences which have created the situation Māori find themselves in today as a result of the unjust and unethical actions of a colonizing people ...

not to mention, of course, that many of the claims actively date back to the 1870's, but have been effectively squashed until recent times......
Māori like money but don't like work? - they effectively fed Auckland with large market gardens, orchards and farms and provided most of the coastal shipping around NZ until the 1860's, when the Land Wars started and us white fellas decided to just take everything for ourselves......

**jonbuoy** · 29th October 2010, 18:23

Originally Posted by SPman

not to mention, of course, that many of the claims actively date back to the 1870's, but have been effectively squashed until recent times......
Māori like money but don't like work? - they effectively fed Auckland with large market gardens, orchards and farms and provided most of the coastal shipping around NZ until the 1860's, when the Land Wars started and us white fellas decided to just take everything for ourselves......

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

You can´t go waving spears to make a point, its a little bit embarrassing on an international scale for Maori don´t you think?

**Winston001** · 29th October 2010, 18:45

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

You can´t go waving spears to make a point, its a little bit embarrassing on an international scale for Maori don´t you think?

Rational but try telling that to the Basques, the Philippine rebels, Palestinians, the Croations, all manner of groups in Africa and the 'Stan republics etc. Cultural memories run deep.

**schrodingers cat** · 30th October 2010, 17:46

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

Because western european capitalism is proving to be totally the way forward.

**SMOKEU** · 30th October 2010, 18:38

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

You can´t go waving spears to make a point, its a little bit embarrassing on an international scale for Maori don´t you think?

Yes, and the thieving cunts just want more and more for themselves.

Did anyone see this weeks copy of the Christchurch Buy, Sell & Exchange? There was a big page stating how the NZ government is going to give the Maoris more land rights, is there any truth to that? You'd have to see that ad to understand what I mean.