The savages are restless

[SMOKEU]

Given the history of this fine nation, you are aware of the irony of this statement, aren't you?

We could argue all night long about who did what to whom, but the facts don't lie.

[Katman]

Given the history of this fine nation, you are aware of the irony of this statement, aren't you?

He's South African - don't expect too much from him.

[Shadowjack]

He's South African - don't expect too much from him.

Oh......

[willytheekid]

DONT...call me..PAKEHA!
As this translated means "smelly white pig"
(grew up in Kapiti, were the term was invented by Te Rauparaha!)

Im not aloud to be proud of my scottish heritage......cos Im just "White" ..non classified apparently, but Im expected to know every other races cultures, beliefs and stone age customs...or else IM racist!

I personally don't give 2 flyin shits what race, colour or sex you are....I just want to be treated fairly & equally within my OWN country....I live here to!...members of my family went to war to protect NZ...and they didnt come back either! (fell at chunik bair...to english arty cover fire!..go figure!).

I believe in an old saying...you have to show respect, to be respected!....yet all I see is reverse racisim and alot of hands out, just to keep a group of self-centred people from being MORE threatning and even more racist!

One people indeed!

[Winston001]

I believe in an old saying...you have to show respect, to be respected!....yet all I see is reverse racisim and alot of hands out, just to keep a group of self-centred people from being MORE threatning and even more racist!

One people indeed!

I agree with you completely regarding respect. Everyone is entitled to your respect and vice versa - until something happens to reduce that respect.

I can't say I feel threatened by Maori but maybe that's a South Island thing. Ngai Tahu are very astute and successful here.

Consider this: if Maori renaissance was ignored by the rest of NZ, they would simply fade away as a culture and a race. We might keep bits like the haka and tourist shows but it would be as relevant as the Druids which attend Stonehenge each solstice. An historic curiosity.

Our Maori culture and language is unique to New Zealand and I think we would all be poorer if it was lost. Retaining it requires Maori to have self-respect and gaining that requires them to hold land and rights. Which Europeans had taken away.

[SMOKEU]

He's South African - don't expect too much from him.

What's that supposed to mean?

Im not aloud to be proud of my scottish heritage......cos Im just "White" ..non classified apparently, but Im expected to know every other races cultures, beliefs and stone age customs...or else IM racist!

There is nothing wrong with having a sense of white pride. It is something that is sorely lacking in the white race today. 1488!

[Katman]

What's that supposed to mean?

Simply that you wouldn't recognise racial harmony if it shit in your cornflakes.

[Kickaha]

1488!

Yeah what a winner, died in prison, good riddance

[DMNTD:Me]

Yeah what a winner, died in prison, good riddance

With all the brown people? Nooooo....say it ain't so!

[SMOKEU]

Simply that you wouldn't recognise racial harmony if it shit in your cornflakes.

What's this 'racial harmony' thing you speak so highly of, sir?

[Katman]

What's this 'racial harmony' thing you speak so highly of, sir?

I'm not saying we have racial harmony here.

What I am saying is that any opinion from a jumped up little yarpie with a nazi complex ain't going to do anything to help achieve it.

[Jantar]

THat's a misunderstanding.

In the 19th Century plenty of European and American writers were suggesting that colonization was wrong ... The British Colonial Offices instructions to Cook were that any land he found belonged to the people who lived there .. and it's instructions to Hobson were NOT to sign a treaty as the sovereignty of the Māori peope had been accepted by the British Crown .. ....

From http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics...ing-the-treaty

William Hobson arrived in New Zealand on 29 January 1840. As lieutenant-governor of a colony that did not yet exist and the extent of which had not been decided, his task was to take possession of it with the consent of the Maori chiefs.

The actual wording of his instructions were

It is not, however, to the mere recognition of the sovereign authority of the Queen that your endeavours are to be confined, or your negotiations directed. It is further necessary that the chiefs should be induced, if possible, to contract with you, as representing Her Majesty, that henceforward no lands shall be ceded, either gratuitously or otherwise, except to the Crown of Great Britain.

(Italics are mine.) http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/L...nbysBrief.html

So it certainly appears to me that Hobson was instructed to enter a treaty (contract) with the Maori chiefs.

[PirateJafa]

Because western european capitalism is proving to be totally the way forward.

Well they can go back to wearing grass skirts, living in shacks and cooking in the ground if they reeeeally want.

But most of them seem to prefer some hoodies from Farmers, a house from the Govt and as much KFC as their benefit will provide, for some strange reason.

[avgas]

Because western european capitalism is proving to be totally the way forward.

Nope that died in 2008. China was the way forward after then.
How many "international" meetings you seen outside asia recently.

Surely someone who believes in Schrödinger's cat, you should believe in more than one path forward....

[Teflon]