I'm 16 and have a prototype

[Banditbandit]

that's "puctuation" marks

PUNCTUATION ... if you're going to be a pedant do it properly ...

[Banditbandit]

That could have made this thread much shorter. Research research research! Then when you think it hasn't been done yet... Research some more. When it comes to petrol engines you have to be pretty out there to come up with something that hasn't at least been thought of if not done before.


http://www.oddee.com/item_97090.aspx
These guys have potential pouring out their ears.
You still need to prove yourself.
I suggest starting with proper grammar, it helps alot when getting your point across. People take you more seriously whn u dnt tlk lyk ths.
Nexts I'd get a book on calculus, another on physics and another on mechanical engineering. When you are done with those you might wanna get one on engine design. By the time you get done with those you should have an understanding of what you are trying to achieve and how to do it. And if you aren't going to read the books because they are 'boring' then you really aren't going to get very far.
Welcome to reality, starring hard work, sweat and tears.

That's not how I see his concetp at all . still not sure the concept will work .. but it's definitely not a turbo ...

[Banditbandit]

OK .. if you're serious about a throttle control system (something to get the right fuel/air mix into the combustion area) why not use an injection system? You don't need to reinvent the wheel (bad joke ...) and if you drill into the side of the cylinder you can sit the injector outlets just outside the piston area, leaving it clean and flush so the piston spins passed it ... well clear of the inlet ... this will also give you a smaller area for the combustion to take place in ...

The question I have is: How are you goingh to extract the exhaust afetr combustion ?

[bogan]

That's not how I see his concetp at all . still not sure the concept will work .. but it's definitely not a turbo ...

nah, cos he's got, no compression part, or expansion part, or chance of it working; if I understand his design idea right that is. Some pics would be immeasurably better than fractured english.

[White trash]

He also doesn't have a "prototype", he has a theory.

[AllanB]

Hey mate - great ideas.

By the way, could you get hold of your brother in Nigeria - the bugger owes me money ..........

[davebullet]

I missed the part on how the waste gases after detonation are removed?

Reading your post I had an idea about feeding the vapour from the face of the surface to be propelled - then causing a micro detonation in that area.

Problem is how to expel the waste gas? Unless the surface following the area of detonation provides a void "sucking" the gas away. PRoblem here is that "sucking" action might offset any propulsion from the micro detonation.

Anyway - post your blue prints. If you are serious - you might want to take your ideas to a dedicated engine forum. As White Trash said - this site (like many others) is just an internet fantasy island. And being full of bikers - we have a Tattoo as well.

[Urano]

now i have put allot of thought into this and i maybe will show you my blueprint but what do you think.

sonny, everybody have a prototype.
or a theory.
or a vague idea.

the question is: do you have money?

because without money the best idea will remain in your head, if you're lucky.
will end into somebody else's pocket if you are not.

best wishes.

[Antonio]

If you are serious and want to know if your idea works or not, go to Massey university, lower campus, building 106, school of engineering a d advanced technology, ask for Chris Chitty, show him your design and he will tell you if its doable or not. If it is, I am 100% sure he even help you to build it. Please don't go to him unprepared. Good luck

[Dare]

sonny, everybody have a prototype.
or a theory.
or a vague idea.

And heres mine!
It's been done before.. But I like it.
Because there are no shims, no cams or camchains, and theoretically eliminates valve bounce!
It does have its limits, but there are model engines that use this around.

This is a basic thought experiment version, replace, use ceramic parts for near perfect seal/graphite lubrication, use port shaping for the intake/exhaust (I even have an idea for VVT) and I don't see why it couldn't be quite an effective little beast.

Now for the spare time and the funding..

[2 wheeled worx]

how would you contain the explosion to get the required spinning forces you need and also stop friction as a rotary has a shaft that it revolves around to stop it forcing itself the inside wall of the motor

[Urano]

And heres mine!
It's been done before.. But I like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeve_valve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Perseus

i like telemark.
it's beautiful and stylish.
but carving it's better...

[schrodingers cat]

Serious serious types knocking a young man with a dream. Shame on you.

Bro - fuck the details. Get marketing involved NOW. Get twitterfacing and create a 'Buzz' Some viral marketing campaign with kittens and tits.
Hell write a stupid repetitive crazy frog song and sell the ringtone.

Lobby government for funding and when their serious engineer types poo poo the idea involve mainstream media. Those morons will be on to it anyway cause of all the hours staring at their laptops waiting for some news to fall in their laps to pad out all the CNN shit they run. They'll spin the shit out of the story (ironic eh)

Ring Russell Norman and tell him it will run on fairy dust and crystals and just like every fucking consumer product on the market it will be 'good for the planet'

Now get yourself on the NZX (NZ sharemarket) Mark Weldon will chew your hand off since the NZX is sliding down the shitter and soon won't generate enough income to cover his insane salary

Before you know it you will be so wedged up you can trade the yz80 and get a big wheel 100. Suffer a motorcycle accident - Sorry Mate I Didn't See You. You won't suffer bodily cause you're fully - All The Gear All The Time - but your memory will be lost and you'll be unable to continue on your lifes dream.

You'll get a substaintial payout from ACC and never need to work another day in your life living in your modern State Home. Sell all/any crap related to the project on Trade Me with a potato that looks like Osama if you squint

All this without getting your hands dirty.except for perhaps digging up a potato

Godzone mate. Godzone

[scumdog]

I hope your designing is better than your punctuation is all I can say.....

[glegge]

I think it's great to look at different ways of doing things, so good for you!
in relation to throttle control, i think the engine will still consume air and fuel right? so you may be able to use a conventional throttle body and fuel injection system (or carburettor).
you mention micro explosions, so i presume the mixture control would be more critical IE large carbs/injection systems in use today may not be accurate enough to ensure the mixture is kept at the correct ratio.
as for other ideas, it's cool to knock ideas around keep em coming.
dont let these bozo's in the internet put you off thinking about this stuff. just ignore there negative comments.
stick at it, if you get it all going, you'll be the one laughing at everyone else.
Cheers bud
Gavin
PM me if you'd like to knock around other ideas.

what up im new to this forum but have been interested in small motors my whole life now to get to the point last night i got to thinkin about a way i could "finger quote" reinvent the engine well it took me all night i literally didnt sleep and now i have a prototype blueprint and yes i want all of you at kb to help me no not with money but with design ideas for instance i need to creat a throttle control system as my design eliminates the need for compression so it will prolly be all rpm. so gimmy your ideas. i dont wanna reveil to much but i will alright so we all know that a rotary motors "piston" is basically a triangle with dents in it that collect gasoling and explode causing it to spin around a crank shaft and we all know a standard engines piston just moves up and down right well if i can take a regualr piston and weld a rod dead center underneath then atach a reall thick gear to the bottom of it then take the fly wheel you no "the circle with the magnet on it" and attach that to a rod as well with a gear on it then put it in its original place so that the gears touch then do the same for the clucth. Then i will take the piston and put nocthes in it so it collects gas in little pocket then take 2 spark plugs and have the on an angle parralel to each so that they both spark directly after one another i think i can get the piston to spin in the cylinder as if it were a rotory motor. now i have put allot of thought into this and i maybe will show you my blueprint but what do you think.