NI Round 4 and Two-hour, 13 & 14 November

**Shorty_925** · 17th November 2010, 18:07

Originally Posted by 50bucketracer

& here are the results of the B grade 40 lap enduro:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Bike Laps Superpole
DNF 6 Simon Robson ? 5 2nd 34.23
DNF 94 Brent Stiver FXR Loncin 0 3rd 35.32
DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93
DNF 3 Blair Robson FXR150 0 9th 36.92

In this order:
6 - Bike stopped, jumped on my bike and went out for a play.
94 - Muffler fell off
93 - Crash
3 - Crash

**Henk** · 17th November 2010, 19:01

Must admit that I was going a lot harder than last year. We ran 20 minute sessions same as last year but where I took an endrance race approach to that one this year was three 20 minute sprint sessions, pretty sure none or my passes were on the dodgy side but some would have been close. I think the harder racing at the two hour this year may reflect the way things have gone in the club series which is a lot tighter than it was this time last year. Unfortunately it's the passee rather than the passer that always seems to come off worse.
Not sure what the answer is other than find some way to get the passing manoeuvers cleaned up a bit. When the red mist is down after a while any gap no matter how small starts to look atractive.

**TZ350** · 17th November 2010, 20:45

Originally Posted by Henk

Unfortunately it's the passee rather than the passer that always seems to come off worse.
Not sure what the answer is other than find some way to get the passing manoeuvers cleaned up a bit. When the red mist is down after a while any gap no matter how small starts to look atractive.

Putting the moves on, and it all going pear shaped can happen to anybody, but we all know the rules......

So my first thought was, enforce the number one rule, that the rider who is making the pass is responsible for the safety of the whole manover, or the other one that requires riders to ride responsibly........

Someone tries a passing move, someone falls off, no excusses, its time out in the naughty corner for someone......

And that means a passing manover related crash and "Someone is Putting Their Bike On The Trailor" for the rest of the day and the Clark of the course gets to decide who.......

This covers dodgy passing and door shutters.......

JC says he can't see everything, so use a video, sure a vid camera may not reveal the detail but will tell us who was involved.

We don't have to understand the ins and out's of the crash, the facts are, someone did not pull the manoeuvre of safely or the other rider rode irresponsibly, end of story, one or both...naughty corner.

Result, unless they are hopelessly retarded and self eliminating, riders might start using some intelligence and think about how they are developing their race craft........

People like Chambers already help out on the start line and giving JC a bit more help running a meeting might allow him more time to assist riders to improve their game........

My 2cents worth.

**NSR143** · 17th November 2010, 20:51

Originally Posted by 50bucketracer

& here are the results of the B grade 40 lap enduro:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Bike Laps Superpole
1 28 Royd Walker-Holt FXR150 40 4th 35.34
2 10 Grant Thorp FXR150 40 1st 33.44
3 4 Tanya Zolebliak FXR150 40 7th 36.20
4 77 Paul Cibulskis NS125? 40 6th 35.97
5 34 Julie Cottrell FXR150 37 8th 36.75
6 92 Alistair Walling FXR150 36 10th 40.14
7 44 Michelle Zeeven FXR150 36 -
DNF 6 Simon Robson ? 5 2nd 34.23
DNF 94 Brent Stiver FXR Loncin 0 3rd 35.32
DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93
DNF 3 Blair Robson FXR150 0 9th 36.92

errr.... that 4th place No.77 was actually Dave Breski, first race meeting he's ever taken part in. He's the guy we stay with when we come up for the 2hr. He over all did better than us!

**NSR143** · 17th November 2010, 21:06

Originally Posted by Henk

Must admit that I was going a lot harder than last year. We ran 20 minute sessions same as last year but where I took an endrance race approach to that one this year was three 20 minute sprint sessions, pretty sure none or my passes were on the dodgy side but some would have been close. I think the harder racing at the two hour this year may reflect the way things have gone in the club series which is a lot tighter than it was this time last year. Unfortunately it's the passee rather than the passer that always seems to come off worse.
Not sure what the answer is other than find some way to get the passing manoeuvers cleaned up a bit. When the red mist is down after a while any gap no matter how small starts to look atractive.

Rider conduct it's called.. it's in the MNZ book but hard to manage at a small meeting with only a few eyes to watch, a few black flags would soon make people think if we/you had the man-power. Sadly the other option is reporting on your fellow riders. Most of the riders are pretty good really, the super fast guys can still freak you out and not cause a problem. I got hit hard in the ribs by a handlebar/clutch on the infield right hander on Saturday going anti clockwise, thankfully my giant rear wheel with more gyroscopic force than all the FXRs put together kept me safe.

**kel** · 17th November 2010, 21:10

What did I miss? I thought everyone was well behaved. As Rick said there were some silly attempts at blocking and passing back but that aside I thought everyone did a great job of holding their line. Infact there was some bloody good racing through traffic and for me there was no contact with or from any other rider for the entire race.

**stivernz** · 17th November 2010, 21:32

Originally Posted by Dutchee

Actually, looking at the B grade enduro results, out of the 4 DNF's - three of those were due to injury. Not sure about why the 4th rider DNF'ed.
All I know is I saw the riders down, and was glad when they moved. I know I didn't take anyone out, and that was one reason I couldn't get past Alistair, I didn't want both of us to go down in a screaming heap, I'd rather have come last than try a risky passing manoeuvre. Everyone who went past me (multiple times), it was a clean pass, so not sure if there was one or more riders who caused grief on the day.
Hopefully the injured will heal quickly and not be put off (I do know that feeling).
Michelle

I DNF'd due to jettisoning muffler in the 40 lapper.

My off was in the 2hr only got 3 laps in my stint and taken out (like Chris) at the end of start/finish straight (like Chris), by some unknown sh..

Grade 3 dislocation of shoulder AC joint. 6 - 16 weeks recovery hahaha
Plenty of time to work on improving the ride aye Steve.

Still a good weekend taking 1st and 2nd for B Class national round.

Thanks to all the supporters for their input.

Cheers
Brent

**TZ350** · 17th November 2010, 21:46

Originally Posted by kel

What did I miss?

A couple of ambo's and several broken coller bones that needn't have happened.....

The carnage was mostly being inflicted on the less able by the stupid....... top class riders probably didn't notice it happening.....

**F5 Dave** · 18th November 2010, 08:31

Handle bars in the ribs is a funny accident, I mean funny strange. Twice when I've taken someone off that's how I've done it. Both time I felt I wasn't in the wrong. First time was at Mt wgtn clockwise first pit corner there was a slow lass & we went one either side. But she got a bit spooked from the first guy & moved sideways into me.

Most recent was Ruapuna. Apparently from the back it looked like my fault. All I was doing was going around the outside of a slow 4 stroke on my 50 on a long sweeping corner. But he was inexpereinced & just kept drifting wide after I went past & hooked my ribs. Gee sorry dude, but. . .

Of course in both cases I went to apologise. But there is a line.

On the other hand I have had the bars wrenched out of my hands by someone passing & turning over my front wheel. That sucks & is obvious what is going to happen.

**50bucketracer** · 18th November 2010, 14:32

Originally Posted by NSR143

errr.... that 4th place No.77 was actually Dave Breski, first race meeting he's ever taken part in. He's the guy we stay with when we come up for the 2hr. He over all did better than us!

I can get the results ammended for that. All we can go on is Wendy's sign-on info, & if its not made clear to her what riders are on which bike, then we will never know.

On the subject of all the crashes & injuries, most of it seemed to happen in the B grade or to slower riders in the 2 hour. I know we got through the 2 hours without making contact (even though Nathanael had a miraculous save, when he was cut off rather aggressively during a passing move) & I believe most of the top scorers got to the end without incident. Having made around 500 overtaking moves (between the 2 of us) during the 2 hours, it was quite a challenge to get through unscathed. There was a big difference in speed & some riders had rather erratic lines. The hardest thing was riders that tried to race when they were being lapped. As John said in the riders briefing, that doesn't help safety... Keeping a smooth line & allowing room for faster riders to get past on either side is the surest way to stay upright. If passing riders are overly aggressive, I'm sure John will deal with that if they are pointed out to him.

**F5 Dave** · 18th November 2010, 16:49

Yeah good point, most people realise that they aren't at the pointy end of the field & don't want to hold the front runners up, I certainly never did. But from time to time you get people you are lapping trying to race you & block you.

One chap bad for it in wgtn no longer races, another does & I've seen him crash out front runners. I tell you it gets frustrating if it affects your race with another front runner.

**Chambers** · 18th November 2010, 20:04

I certianly did not expect to get taken out so early and I carried on so my mate could get a ride in and yes my 2nd time out there I was only lapping at 36/37 seconds and had no problem with guys lapping me and hoped that I could hold my lines, by the time I came in (20mins) I was unable to use the front brake as my arm was completly numb so sorry if I was a pain. Green bottles TZ J D is better

**NSR143** · 18th November 2010, 20:16

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Handle bars in the ribs is a funny accident, I mean funny strange. Twice when I've taken someone off that's how I've done it. Both time I felt I wasn't in the wrong. First time was at Mt wgtn clockwise first pit corner there was a slow lass & we went one either side. But she got a bit spooked from the first guy & moved sideways into me.

Most recent was Ruapuna. Apparently from the back it looked like my fault. All I was doing was going around the outside of a slow 4 stroke on my 50 on a long sweeping corner. But he was inexpereinced & just kept drifting wide after I went past & hooked my ribs. Gee sorry dude, but. . .

Of course in both cases I went to apologise. But there is a line.

On the other hand I have had the bars wrenched out of my hands by someone passing & turning over my front wheel. That sucks & is obvious what is going to happen.

As it happens he ran up the inside of me as I was already in the turn, more of a speed vs speed misjudgement I think than anything... no one fell off so all good!

**richban** · 18th November 2010, 20:48

hummm. These big races are always hectic on track with such a large speed difference across the field. Especially on a Kart track. BOB and Taupo have the same issue but a hell of a lot more room. Sorry to hear there was so much injury, looked from the photos you guys had a great turn out and some good weather. I hope we get the same for the wellington meet on the 28th. Come on down.