Preparation for privatising ACC?

[shrub]

Our beloved masters have suggested that we could enjoy lower premiums if we accept lower standards of service: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10685770

My guess is that over the next few months/years we'll see two tiers of ACC cover coming in - a low grade at the kind of premiums we're used to, and the kind of ACC cover we're used to at a high premium. Then a PPP will be announced, probably with an international insurance company, offering something in between, and premiums will be determined by your risk profile in the same way insurance premiums are calculated, or you can exclude cover for specified activities (motorcycling for instance) and get a lower premium.

And the people will be happy because they'll only be paying a little more for a little less.

[FJRider]

or enjoy a lower standard of "service" ... for the same premiums ....

[Swoop]

Nice to see that The Harold has gone from crappy tabloid media, to low-level social engineering.

[mashman]

Have a play with this. The numbers for injuries etc... are collected from CAS. The car numbers are picked out of my ass (ACC document i found estimates 3,000,000) and the bike numbers are plucked out of thin air. But that doesn't matter. I added a few too many motorcycle accidents in the play column too i think. If we all pay the same, we'd all likely benefit

We get 1 salary. Some of that salary pays for ACC levy on fuel, rego etc... Why not just take what's needed to meet the projected financial forecast straight from the workers account.? Lower admin costs too. Just a thought Mr Smith.

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[RiderInBlack]

Our beloved masters have suggested that we could enjoy lower premiums if we accept lower standards of service: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10685770

They are already cutting back on services. Try getting on the list of a Colonoscopy now.

[Mully]

Try getting on the list of a Colonoscopy now.

I almost don't want to know why you want a colonoscopy under ACC.

But then I almist do want to know what sort of accident might require a colonoscopy.....

[Toaster]

Nice to see that The Harold has gone from crappy tabloid media, to low-level social engineering.

Social engineering.... reminds me of the dictator Helegrad riding the wave of economic prosperity to finger the social ingredients around they way they wanted the NZ cake to taste.... albeit bitter in our mouths.

ACC and our no fault scheme is the envy of the world and I know this because I went to a world conference on the industry. Much like the power industry, all it lead to was wealthy shareholder and execs at the cost of service and with the guarantee of ever rising prices to the consumer.

[RiderInBlack]

I almost don't want to know why you want a colonoscopy under ACC.

But then I almist do want to know what sort of accident might require a colonoscopy.....

Was referring ta the whole health system in general but there has been cuts in ACC jobbies as well.

[mashman]

Was referring ta the whole health system in general but there has been cuts in ACC jobbies as well.

Do you mean, more cuts, less service, bigger profit? Books look great as we push towards 2019

[shrub]

Nice to see that The Harold has gone from crappy tabloid media, to low-level social engineering.

Bollocks! What is "social engineering" about reporting on the Government's actions? That's the role of the media in a democracy FFS - would you prefer they didn't mention anything the government did that was the slightest bit contentious?

And the Herald is probably the least "tabloid" of any of our media.

[shrub]

Social engineering.... reminds me of the dictator Helegrad riding the wave of economic prosperity to finger the social ingredients around they way they wanted the NZ cake to taste.... albeit bitter in our mouths.

ACC and our no fault scheme is the envy of the world and I know this because I went to a world conference on the industry. Much like the power industry, all it lead to was wealthy shareholder and execs at the cost of service and with the guarantee of ever rising prices to the consumer.

I agree, our no fault scheme is the envy of the world which is why the Nats want to sell it, but first they need to prepare it by getting rid of high risk and low value (to them) clients by pushing up their ACC levies. Yes, motorcyclists are of low value to the Nats and they don't respect our choice because they see no practical sense in it. Face it, we're a nation that is run by accountants and bankers where everything has a cost and nothing has a value.

[Swoop]

Bollocks! What is "social engineering" about reporting on the Government's actions? That's the role of the media in a democracy FFS - would you prefer they didn't mention anything the government did that was the slightest bit contentious?

And the Herald is probably the least "tabloid" of any of our media.

I refer to their "two drinks max" campaign. The gubbinment has stated what the law is, then reviewed the law and re-stated what the law is. The Harold seems determined to push their own agenda in this matter though...

As for the rest of their reporting, standards really need to be raised.

[shrub]

I refer to their "two drinks max" campaign. The gubbinment has stated what the law is, then reviewed the law and re-stated what the law is. The Harold seems determined to push their own agenda in this matter though...

As for the rest of their reporting, standards really need to be raised.

But this thread isn't about 2 drinks max, it's a completely different subject - you're hiding behind a strawman argument.

[Swoop]

But this thread isn't about 2 drinks max, it's a completely different subject - you're hiding behind a strawman argument.

That is their latest campaign.

With ACC, just look at the options they are asking on the poll.
Lower levies for reduced service?
Where is the option of "no change to ACC"?

Looks like a leading question/poll really.

[shrub]

That is their latest campaign.

With ACC, just look at the options they are asking on the poll.
Lower levies for reduced service?
Where is the option of "no change to ACC"?

Looks like a leading question/poll really.

OK, you present a compelling argument - the poll on the herald was flawed, therefore National should sell ACC and we should enjoy the raise in our levies because profit is being made and profit is always good. Happy?

Seriously, the argument is not about the validity or otherwise of some low grade poll but about the carefully choreohraphed moves to prepare ACC for sale. Can you debate the topic please?