Registration plate not displayed in correct manner

**johnben2** · 15th November 2010, 16:21

cheers for that guys, yep comfirms my thoughts, yep i'm taking it to court....
i'm pissed...

his definition of faild to display regristration plate in prescribed manner, wrote in and they arn't letting me off..

quoted upright and seen clearly from the rear.... (not side FOOL)

mine is a cruser with side mounted plate, sideways, isnt in the description of upright.. so i'm taking it to court...

i spoke to Wof testing at VTNZ and LVV testing for low volume modified today and they have nothing in their regs, WoF said 20% boat trailers are like that! that they get through in albany.... they both will get back to me and are happy to do me a report, they both are fine giving passes without a problem....for this.

read kiwifruits dads plight, (the same) have you a case number for your dads win that can be used as a precident?

the description in all dictonarys reads similar to this..

up•right –adjective
1.
erect or vertical, as in position or posture.
2.
raised or directed vertically or upward.
3.
adhering to rectitude; righteous, honest, or just: an upright person.
4.
being in accord with what is right: upright dealings.
–noun
5.
the state of being upright or vertical.
6.
something standing erect or vertical, as a piece of timber.
7.
an upright piano.
8.
Usually, uprights. Chiefly Football . the goalposts.
–adverb
9.
in an upright position or direction; vertically.

nothing about letters, books etc

just as tigertim20 said

_ is fine
l is fine
/ is NOT fine.

so here i go for all the motorcyclists, trailer, horse float and boat people out there...

BAD COP!

**Vinz0r** · 15th November 2010, 17:04

Good luck sir!

**Jantar** · 15th November 2010, 17:49

Originally Posted by johnben2

.... i spoke to Wof testing at VTNZ and LVV testing for low volume modified today and they have nothing in their regs, ....

Maybe that's because there is no requirement for a vehicle to even display any registration for WoF purposes. You must be able to show that the vehicle does in fact have a registration plate, but there is nowhere that says it must be dispalyed to get a WoF.

However a WoF is required for registration.

**Hiflyer** · 15th November 2010, 18:16

Originally Posted by Jantar

Maybe that's because there is no requirement for a vehicle to even display any registration for WoF purposes. You must be able to show that the vehicle does in fact have a registration plate, but there is nowhere that says it must be dispalyed to get a WoF.

However a WoF is required for registration.

Geez what a killbuzz

I get what you mean, BUT I would be interested to see how many times trailers get pulled over for it.

Never owned one myself so I have no idea.

It could be viewed as picking on motorcyclists/boy racer cars.

please take note that I said could, not that it IS

**johnben2** · 15th November 2010, 20:04

Originally Posted by Hiflyer

Geez what a killbuzz

It could be viewed as picking on motorcyclists/boy racer cars. please take note that I said could, not that it IS

no.... not could... is!

cheers for the comments...

starting to look at this as fun.. i want to get it right.

**waynzz7** · 15th November 2010, 21:49

Do you have a pic you can post of your plate currently?? Wondering about the plate on my DRZ now?? Don't want to give 'the man' any more money than I need 2..Good luck!

**ukusa** · 16th November 2010, 09:01

Good to see someone with the perseverance to see something like this through court. Present the case with evidence that your not alone, take as many photos as you can of other vehicles (trailers/bikes etc) with plates in similar positions.
If our cops can't tilt their heads to read a plate, maybe they should have failed the fitness test.

**Supertwin Don** · 16th November 2010, 09:11

Guys, you are talking semantics here, and I wonder if you're missing a point -

(b) In the case of any motorcycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible

to my mind, a side mount is not "on the rear" of the vehicle, irrespective if it is vertical or horizontal. (and this would apply to trailers as well)

**scumdog** · 16th November 2010, 09:16

Originally Posted by Supertwin Don

Guys, you are talking semantics here, and I wonder if you're missing a point -

(b) In the case of any motorcycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible

to my mind, a side mount is not "on the rear" of the vehicle, irrespective if it is vertical or horizontal. (and this would apply to trailers as well)

Hell, you would open a can of worms there if that was enforced...

Even a factory mount is not exaztly at the rear of the bike - it is above and forward of the most rear-ward part of the bike on most of the cruiser ones for a start.

But 8 out of 10 for troll-attempt.

**nodrog:Me** · 16th November 2010, 09:45

I was pulled over the other day. When I asked why, the reply was "because I could not see your number plate from the side" (he was In a petrol staton when I rode by, and my plate is rear facing and cleary visible from behind). I replied "So what? Car number plates arent visible from the side". He then mumbled something, and let me on my way.

Fanny.

**avgas** · 16th November 2010, 10:05

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hell, you would open a can of worms there if that was enforced...

Even a factory mount is not exaztly at the rear of the bike - it is above and forward of the most rear-ward part of the bike on most of the cruiser ones for a start.

But 8 out of 10 for troll-attempt.

Hate to say it......but I think he is right scummy.
Even on cruisers - it is on the rear section of the vehicle, viewable from both sides at 60 deg and viewable at 60 degrees above vertical (which from recall was the euro law that everyone stole).
There for it does not have to be the most 'rear' bit of the bike, but has to be viewable from the rear profile (the back bit).

The plate in question can not be seen from the right hand side, so therefore is not on the rear.

Imagine if you will if you headlight is down where you left knee was. This would not be the front as traffic to the right of you could not see it.

**Supertwin Don** · 16th November 2010, 10:38

My next comment is based on memories of investigating the above rules 25 years ago when I was building a chop - nearly all modern sports bikes would not comply with the regs on rear mudguard - "to prevent, as far as practical, material from being thrown upwards from the rear wheel"

And I'll bet there are a number of other regs that have never been updated OR RESCINDED which could be used to prosecute bikers - even on "factory" customs :-)

wasp nest, stick and prod come to mind.

**Swoop** · 16th November 2010, 10:56

Originally Posted by Supertwin Don

I'll bet there are a number of other regs that have never been updated OR RESCINDED...

Why would a politician get rid of a law? They get paid to write them - so "the more the merrier" right???

**johnben2** · 16th November 2010, 22:47

Cheers guys for the thoughts and comments, yes it will be interesting, there are many things to take into account.

I have spoken to a very helpful person who is knowledgeable about the procedures I need to take and on this instance is willing to guide me through the process with the correct way to approach (not Jon getting upset) and present the right and relevant information at the correct and appropriate time.

it may take many months but at the end i will post the outcome, cant do anything other than that apart from ride the bike....

and thank you all again for the comments and links, this site has alot of good stuff if you can search it out.

We will be taking this carefully one step at a time...

**R-Soul** · 17th November 2010, 14:17

Originally Posted by Jantar

Its also discussed in http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-Number-plates

I did consider merging the two threads, but this one (side mount) seems particular to custom cruisers.

My amatuer reading of the legislation is that as long as the plate is visible and readable from the rear at an angle of 45 degrees from either side then it would be legal. I have seen plates on some HDs that wouldn't meet that criteria.

Therein lies the problem I think. If it si facing to one side, it will not be readable at an angle to 45 dgerees to the other side.