Is this the sort of thing that's going to lead to vigilante groups?

[Edbear]

I'd probably agree with you that young'uns these days have alot more attitude and more balls and less respect, but I do maintain the reasons aren't so much different to what they've always been.

No, even gang violence used to have a "reason" or rationale behind it. Nowadays it's often purely for pleasure and becoming much more sadistic. By this I mean on a wider, more general scale. There have always been sadists, but it's as I said, permeating the greater society on a scale never seen before.

The effing system sure has alot to answer for if they ever find that sneaky, convenient bastard

He's just so convenient that no-one on any level needs to accept blame or responsibility. At most we can blame the Government as that's a visible target that "everyone blames for everything."

[Corse1]

That's bullshit. I've been playing violent PC games since I was 4 years old and the only time I've ever assaulted anyone is self defence when they hit me first. How's that for violence?

You must have missed the "most" part of the post in your eagerness to respond. Certainly triggered a response though......how young were you again............

[avgas]

the program on TV a coule of weeks back where they had about 40 kids in a class. 50% watching and playing educational games on a PC and 50% playing the violent games that a loto of kids spen all day playing nowadays?

After a period of time they were all interviewed. During the interview the interviewer accidently dropped a cup of pencils off the side of the desk. most of the educatiponal game players stopped to help pick up the pencils as a normal reaction. Most of the other group hardly glanced at it.

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

One of the reasons why we have so many useless f*ucks in the young generation today. Violence appears normal to them and theres a lot of them ouy there.

Do you let your kids play these games for hours on end??

Actually studies have found that most psychopaths / serial killers are in fact avid readers. And prefer a good novel over a game.

Desensitization is not cause not effect of violence. Would you like a venn diagram?
Violence is actually a chemical imbalance due to lack of serotonin in the brain.
Currently the only studies they have linking to this are based on Toxoplasmosis.
Which means that cats make you crazy violent - not computer games.

So I suggest you update your Encyclopedia Britannica

[Banditbandit]

Nothing will happen.

The only solution as i've said time and time again is the pit of death. It's the final solution to the 'criminal' question. Ha.

N.Z is so full of left wing sympathisers that nothing will ever be done.

First offense a toe.
Second offense a finger.
Third a hand or foot.
Forth an eye.
All done via a programmed machine.

Lets see if violence would survive in that world.

We should send these thugs to South Africa where they can be put in jail there for 5 years in a cell with 20 black people. Their asses will get raped completely raw every day.

And you are the same people who would hate to see the Taliban take over here ?

I see very little difference ...

[Edbear]

Actually studies have found that most psychopaths / serial killers are in fact avid readers. And prefer a good novel over a game.

Desensitization is not cause not effect of violence. Would you like a venn diagram?
Violence is actually a chemical imbalance due to lack of serotonin in the brain. Currently the only studies they have linking to this are based on Toxoplasmosis.
Which means that cats make you crazy violent - not computer games.

So I suggest you update your Encyclopedia Britannica

That's an interesting comment and deserves further investigation. It is certainly a fact that more kids are growing up with violent, and sadistically violent, tendencies and running amok without any regard for humanity or self.

[firefighter]

And you are the same people who would hate to see the Taliban take over here ?

I see very little difference ...

Yeah, because that's the same thing......

Retarded fuckwits like you are the reason I hardly come on here anymore....

[avgas]

And you are the same people who would hate to see the Taliban take over here ?

I see very little difference ...

I didn't say we do it for imaginary friend????

[Spazman727]

BUT WHATEVER YOU DO!
Never, ever hit your kids, cos that'll just do SO much more damage than letting your kid get away with every fucking thing that they do forever and ever amen.


...does anyone else smell bullshit?

If someone is a bad enough parent to need to hit their kids to keep them in line, something needs to be done about their parenting skills. I'm not talking about a little tap on the arse or wrist for something that could've got them killed (i.e. running away onto the road or something). But how can you justify properly hitting a helpless little person who looks up to you for reassurance and instruction? Of course kids who are beaten are gonna turn out fucked up.

With regard to vigilante groups etc, I have seriously thought about carrying a knife if I'm out at night for self protection (I'm quite a small guy and know i couldn't hold my own against a bunch of big dudes), but there are statistics (somewhere) that prove that the weapon is likely to be turned on me.

As you can probably tell from the first bit, I am left wing, but I do think that we need tougher penalties for people who break the law. Community service is bullshit and does nothing to deter people from crime.

[Edbear]

Big ups to the family man who stepped in to help, but glad the outcome wasn't a bad one...

http://clearnet.co.nz/news-story.html?national~799282

[imdying]

Fuck 'em. Taxi drivers drive like wankers anyway. Piece of shite probably had it coming. Professional drivers my arse. $20 says the wanker deserved it.

[Bald Eagle]

That's bullshit. I've been playing violent PC games since I was 4 years old and the only time I've ever assaulted anyone is self defence when they hit me first. How's that for violence?

but did you pick up their pencils ?

[Pascal]

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

Have you seen how violent a Road Runner cartoon is? Wiley Coyote gets blown up, smashed, stretched and generally abused. How about Tom and Jerry? Or any cartoon for that matter. Watch Saturday morning kids TV. It's pretty damn violent and cloaked in the cutsey, cartoonsy stuff that they'll just absorb like the greedy little sponges they are.

[Edbear]

Fuck 'em. Taxi drivers drive like wankers anyway. Piece of shite probably had it coming. Professional drivers my arse. $20 says the wanker deserved it.

Are you a professional troll...?

[imdying]

Psssh trolling... If a copper was getting a kicking, I'd help him out as best as I could... If I came across a taxi driver, I'd yell at them to give him one for me.

He drove like a wanker past somebody who wasn't prepared to put up with his substandard shit, got his door booted, and instead of driving on and thinking to himself, "Maybe that will stop happening if I don't carve up pedestrians", he stopped and got out thinking himself a staunch cunt, and then found out he wasn't. Glorious.

[Bounce001]

I got the below email the other day. I think it sums everything up fairly well and show how pathetic(ally PC) we have become.

SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2009
Scenario :
Jack goes rabbit shooting before school, pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his rifle & chats with Jack about guns.

2009 - School goes into lock down, Tactical Responce called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his ute or gun again..
Counsellors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2009 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months.
School board hold meeting to impliment bullying prevention programs


Scenario:
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal.
Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2009 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie.
Tested for ADD. Robbie's parents get fortnightly disability payments and School
gets extra funding from state because Robbie has a disability.


Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to Uni, and becomes a successful businessman.

2009 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang.
State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.


Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.

2009 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations.
Car searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario :
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to Uni.

2009 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state.
Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist.
AFRE files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher.
English banned from core curriculum.
Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from Cracker night, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a bullant nest.

1957 - Ants die.

2009- Tactical Responce , Federal Police & Anti-terrorism Squad called.
Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, Federal Police investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated.
Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary.
Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2009 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job.
She faces 3 years in Prison.
Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.