Lexus interested in joining V8 Supercar

**ckai** · 18th November 2010, 08:25

This WILL eventually happen. All the bodies involved (AV8SC, Holden, Ford etc) have all agreed that they have no choice but to let other manufactures enter. I believe it was Ford that got the ball rolling again earlier this year to start talks because it's bloody hard for only 2 players to bank roll a series.

It's a pretty successful series but only really for the promotor. By the sounds of it the Aussie public has accepted the fact that they need to bring in more players if they want the series to stay alive. You're always gonna piss off the few hard-cores but they restrict growth and development.

The restrictions they'd enforce would mean everyone is similar (as currently) and like the boss from the V8's said it would stupid for them to bring in new players and have it end like the Skyline era. I remember him saying "that wouldn't help anyone".

If I remember rightly I saw the article in the off season on the V8 website and it had links to other articles from other news agencies.

**Banditbandit** · 18th November 2010, 08:35

Naaa .. the Jappers and the Europeans will not engage in the Aussie dogems tactics .. and get shunted off the track ...

But it's only in recent years the Aussie supercars have been exclusively Ford/Holden ..

Nissan Skylines have raced at Bathhurst before (and won) - A Jaguar won Bathhurst in 1985 ... a BMW in 1997 ... a Volvo in 1998 ... I think the first ever Bathhurst was won by a Vauxhall ... and a Mini Cooper in the mid-60s ...

A Volvo won the first Wellington Street Race ... (Brock and Holden won the next two ...)

**Toaster** · 18th November 2010, 08:38

Originally Posted by Motu

So,Toyota aren't interested?

Can't "recall............"

**pzkpfw** · 18th November 2010, 09:31

I thought the Aussie V8 supercars were already using a common engine (i.e. the Fords and Holdens both run the same Chevy engine)??

**-df-** · 18th November 2010, 10:34

Originally Posted by avgas

As for the article saying the LFA will race.....not a chance. For a start is only has 2 doors......touring cars are 4 door....
Most likely be some kind of Camry/Windom thing.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/29810/20...iew-road-test/

They mention the IS-F a 4 door car, not the LFA (v10 super car)

**Edbear** · 18th November 2010, 11:23

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

I thought the Aussie V8 supercars were already using a common engine (i.e. the Fords and Holdens both run the same Chevy engine)??

Doesn't appear so going by the rules...

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/Portal...Update%201.pdf

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/Portal...vC_Update2.pdf

**nodrog:Me** · 18th November 2010, 11:43

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

I thought the Aussie V8 supercars were already using a common engine (i.e. the Fords and Holdens both run the same Chevy engine)??

They use common spec (not the same brand) engines and components, ie ford are still using their old push rod V8 and a live rear axle, as opposed to the quad overhead cam and independent rear axle they have in there current road cars.

Fanny.

**avgas** · 18th November 2010, 11:58

Originally Posted by -df-

http://www.caradvice.com.au/29810/20...iew-road-test/

They mention the IS-F a 4 door car, not the LFA (v10 super car)

Sweet - that'll do
Looks like the rules have changed recently too - only steel parts remaining that are required are the brakes.

On a side note check out this.
Fricken cool
http://v8racecar.wordpress.com/2010/...acing-corvair/

**Swoop** · 18th November 2010, 14:30

Originally Posted by AllanB

...when the Fords get replaced with something imported in a few years, some fuggly USA built thingy probably.

Fords are fugging ugly NOW! We don't have to wait to see an ugly ford, just drive past a dealership.

**rebel** · 18th November 2010, 19:29

Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham

I thought Ford & Holden rang push rod donks to comply with the 'rules' Even Ford dont run those ancient motors in their road cars anymore.
They would soon be religated to the back competing against high revving quad OHC motors in the Lexus and Merc.

Typical mythical speak from jappa/euro fan boy who only looks at on paper specs.

Adding onto myths, coincidental timing of the Skylines dominace, Group A racing was being phased out around the world, not because the V8s couldn't keep up, despite what jappa boys like to think.

Ever since the end of Group A, Toyota or Nissan has never had a look into the championship, the critera has always been a rwd V8 4dr sedan assemblied in Australia, which only leaves Commodore and Falcon.

**neels** · 18th November 2010, 20:25

It's all bollocks anyway, just a tubular chassis in ford or holden clothes with a different but identical cast iron nascar block and the rest purpose built race parts.

The only interest really remaining is watching how the various teams/drivers are performing.

Bringing in another manufacturer will just mean the same car with another different badge on the front, the only difference will be how much they are willing to bankroll a particular team to take up their badge and buy a place at the front of the field.

Team Vodafone have demonstrated this, they were fast as fordish cars, they are fast as holdenish cars, they have a good team with plenty of money so they are fast regardless of the supposed make.

Edit:

Originally Posted by rebel

Adding onto myths, coincidental timing of the Skylines dominace, Group A racing was being phased out around the world, not because the V8s couldn't keep up, despite what jappa boys like to think.

Yep, the FIA were doing away with it because it was drawing away sponsorship money while F1 and sportcars looked like withering and dying in the corner.

And before you bag the euro/jap thing, it was dick johnson that turned a sierra into a race car, and a scotsman in the form of tom walkinshaw made one particular model of commodore competitive

**Laava** · 18th November 2010, 20:51

Originally Posted by rebel

, the critera has always been a rwd V8 4dr sedan assemblied in Australia, which only leaves Commodore and Falcon.

Correct, it is a homologation thing. But still not the car you can buy and drive so the rules have been bent so far as to be useless. Aussie fans will want holden/ford racing, regardless,and that is where the money will always be, end of story. There could be an entire new series for high tech quad cam etc etc but it may never be as popular. Not that I care either way, but you try going up on the Mount on the Sunday and yelling "Go Lexus" as loud as you can. Been nice knowing you!

**rebel** · 18th November 2010, 21:29

Originally Posted by neels

And before you bag the euro/jap thing, it was dick johnson that turned a sierra into a race car, and a scotsman in the form of tom walkinshaw made one particular model of commodore competitive

Hmm I'm pretty sure the HDT VKs (group C?) was more successful than the Walkinshaw VLs on the racing stage but I could be wrong. I'm not bagging the Euro/jappas, just get a bit pissed off when I hear the followers cry common myths. The E30 3 series is still the most successful touring car to date and one of my favourite small cars. Bring back the Grp A/C production based racing I reckon, I haven't watched a V8 supercar race since I was a school kid, 5 years ago, farking yawn fest these days, especially with bugger all Ford teams in it.

**98tls** · 19th November 2010, 05:51

Originally Posted by Laava

Correct, it is a homologation thing. But still not the car you can buy and drive so the rules have been bent so far as to be useless. Aussie fans will want holden/ford racing, regardless,and that is where the money will always be, end of story. There could be an entire new series for high tech quad cam etc etc but it may never be as popular. Not that I care either way, but you try going up on the Mount on the Sunday and yelling "Go Lexus" as loud as you can. Been nice knowing you!

I reckon it will be just with a different crowd ie the baseball cap backward wearing baggy panters.Personally i wish it would just stay as is but thats not going to happen sadly and ive no interest in watching the Jap/euro stuff.Note to self "make the most of next years Bathurst as it will probably be the last time i bother watching it".