Lexus interested in joining V8 Supercar

**schrodingers cat** · 19th November 2010, 06:29

Originally Posted by neels

It's all bollocks anyway, just a tubular chassis in ford or holden clothes with a different but identical cast iron nascar block and the rest purpose built race parts.

The only interest really remaining is watching how the various teams/drivers are performing.

Bringing in another manufacturer will just mean the same car with another different badge on the front, the only difference will be how much they are willing to bankroll a particular team to take up their badge and buy a place at the front of the field.

Team Vodafone have demonstrated this, they were fast as fordish cars, they are fast as holdenish cars, they have a good team with plenty of money so they are fast regardless of the supposed make.

But isn't that the point of RACING. The tribal aspect is to do with MARKETTING (which drives revenues of course)

Marketting people have identifyed that binary tribal affiliations appeal to the great unwashed. Personally I think it a shame that the sport is dumbed down to red and blue. It is also why I find F1 endlessly fasinating - for the nauance.

Motor-racing is endlessly complex. Even when the variables are reduced human ingenuity strives for ways to improve performance. Think Drag Racing in its purest form.
To suppose success comes a badge is nothing but lazy thinking

**Swoop** · 19th November 2010, 06:47

Originally Posted by 98tls

possibly the only car fuglier would be the current Commodore

Surely there are some good optometrists' in your town? Time for a visit perhaps?

**Laava** · 19th November 2010, 06:56

Both these models are disastrously ugly IMO. FAIL!

**Swoop** · 19th November 2010, 06:58

Originally Posted by Laava

Both these models are disastrously ugly IMO. FAIL!

Epic fail for both...

**avgas** · 19th November 2010, 08:07

Originally Posted by rebel

the critera has always been a rwd V8 4dr sedan assemblied in Australia, which only leaves Commodore and Falcon.

Errrr no - not exactly....
http://www.toyota.com.au/about/history

**imdying** · 19th November 2010, 08:29

They're cars. Who cares if they're ugly, they're just a way to tow a trailer. As for V8 Supercars? Boring, slow, generic... a waste of time. Was offered a trip to Bathurst this year... turned it down, not worth my time (although it would probably be a lot more fun in the flesh admittedly).

**ckai** · 19th November 2010, 17:06

Gees, I'd hate to see some of you guys' ideas of how to encourage progress. We may still be riding horses

As for the current racing, some of the best it's ever been in my opinion. I hate dominance by a particular brand and I hate processions (F1 anyone). Tin-top racing is about rubbing, nudging and passing (BTCC), and bike racing is about passing, passing, and tail happy sliding

A few years back the V8's got boring. Now they're back into their rubbing and passing and no make is dominating.

I couldn't give a shit if they bring in 5 other makers and they're completely identical. Give me the spectacle that is tin-top racing and I'll watch it. I'm a true petrol head so if it's exciting racing with passing galore I don't care if it's motorised sewing machines, I'll watch it.

PS The current holdens and fords aren't ugly, just fucking boring. They have no identity. Just like most cars and bikes today.

**98tls** · 19th November 2010, 18:46

Originally Posted by ckai

Gees, I'd hate to see some of you guys' ideas of how to encourage progress. We may still be riding horses

As for the current racing, some of the best it's ever been in my opinion. I hate dominance by a particular brand and I hate processions (F1 anyone). Tin-top racing is about rubbing, nudging and passing (BTCC), and bike racing is about passing, passing, and tail happy sliding

A few years back the V8's got boring. Now they're back into their rubbing and passing and no make is dominating.

I couldn't give a shit if they bring in 5 other makers and they're completely identical. Give me the spectacle that is tin-top racing and I'll watch it. I'm a true petrol head so if it's exciting racing with passing galore I don't care if it's motorised sewing machines, I'll watch it.

PS The current holdens and fords aren't ugly, just fucking boring. They have no identity. Just like most cars and bikes today.

See your point but personally have enjoyed the Ford/Holden thing for as long as i can remember and would prefer it not to change,and yes i wash

For me anyway Bathurst is the best day of the year when it comes to 4 wheels,love it just the way it is though i did suffer the Volvo blah blah years,along the way theres been the personalities ie Dick Johnson etc.A few of us were talking this afternoon about making the effort to go to Bathurst next year as after that as i posted earlier i doubt we will bother turning on the box.

**rebel** · 19th November 2010, 20:31

Originally Posted by avgas

Errrr no - not exactly....
http://www.toyota.com.au/about/history

And? Toyota Au have never assemblied a rwd sedan, since the demise of Group A racing in the early 1990s anyway. If the criteria for V8 Supercars dropped the rwd V8 bit I'm sure Dimantes and Camrys would have been in there.

**ckai** · 20th November 2010, 08:36

Originally Posted by rebel

And? Toyota Au have never assemblied a rwd sedan, since the demise of Group A racing in the early 1990s anyway. If the criteria for V8 Supercars dropped the rwd V8 bit I'm sure Dimantes and Camrys would have been in there.

That's one thing I'm glad they won't be changing. Front-wheelers don't look right getting lose in the corners. It's just not right. The organizers know the fans can pretty much be swayed for anything thing else but RWD is a must.

**scott411** · 20th November 2010, 09:18

Originally Posted by ckai

Gees, I'd hate to see some of you guys' ideas of how to encourage progress. We may still be riding horses

As for the current racing, some of the best it's ever been in my opinion. I hate dominance by a particular brand and I hate processions (F1 anyone). Tin-top racing is about rubbing, nudging and passing (BTCC), and bike racing is about passing, passing, and tail happy sliding

A few years back the V8's got boring. Now they're back into their rubbing and passing and no make is dominating.

I couldn't give a shit if they bring in 5 other makers and they're completely identical. Give me the spectacle that is tin-top racing and I'll watch it. I'm a true petrol head so if it's exciting racing with passing galore I don't care if it's motorised sewing machines, I'll watch it.

PS The current holdens and fords aren't ugly, just fucking boring. They have no identity. Just like most cars and bikes today.

i agree with this 100% the last race at surfers with Van Gis vs Wincupp was one of the most awesome races i have seen, it had it all, passes, missed braking points, rubbing the whole lot,

at the moment there is great Parity, and i think with the comman floor plan ala nascar coming it will be even better,

It comes down to watch you like racing, i like watching nascar and supercars because the racing is good, passing is regular and there are alot of different winners, F1 although it is an amazing technical sport is boring racing, its just what you are into

**schrodingers cat** · 20th November 2010, 09:57

Originally Posted by ckai

That's one thing I'm glad they won't be changing. Front-wheelers don't look right getting lose in the corners. It's just not right. The organizers know the fans can pretty much be swayed for anything thing else but RWD is a must.

With FWD the driver really only has one option when the car loses grip. With RWD they have two (options)

Driving happens from the feet and to watch a driver balancing the car and carrying speed is very exciting. Unfortunately too much aero masks this.

What makes motorcycling is exactly the same thing. Being able to see the pilot maximise mechanical grip.

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