A miner issue

**Motu** · 23rd November 2010, 19:17

Heads will roll which ever way it goes - the knives are being sharpened now.The talking head cop has a noose around his neck,and there are four hands on every chair leg.It sucks to be anyone near Pike River now.Sounds like a motorcycle shop thread on KB,everyone is an expert and the only way is down.

**twinbruva** · 23rd November 2010, 19:22

Originally Posted by Motu

Heads will roll which ever way it goes - the knives are being sharpened now.The talking head cop has a noose around his neck,and there are four hands on every chair leg.It sucks to be anyone near Pike River now.Sounds like a motorcycle shop thread on KB,everyone is an expert and the only way is down.

Gary Knowles is a cock anyway.

**Smokin** · 23rd November 2010, 19:55

Originally Posted by Maha

They have cotacted the US an Aussie to have another flown in....more time lost.

It turned up at 5pm tonight, I watched the Hurcules land and the chopper was about 1 minute behind it for the pickup, Couldnt beleave how fast a plane of that size can stop.

**White trash** · 23rd November 2010, 20:05

*Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of mining procedures, risks or stratedgies*

But if it were my mates and son in that mine, I'd be baying for blood. As I'm sure the poor folk involved are now. It's four day, FOUR DAYS on, and nothing appears to have happened other than some drilling and a shitload of new conferences. I simply can not believe, that there's no breathing aides that a team could have been dispatched immediately. There is no shortage of volunteers. Campbell showed an interesting comparison between a similar scenario in the states, 4 hours before the rescue team went in. They had to retreat many times, but the effort was made.

In todays day and age, I can not believe that there is no way for a team with proper breathing and backup equipment to be armed with gas analysers and begin an expedition.

These are peoples SONS, FATHERS, GRANDFATHERS and BROTHERS for fucks sake. Let those who would take the risk, take it.

**White trash** · 23rd November 2010, 20:07

Originally Posted by scissorhands

Watching Campbell Live tonight it sounds like rescue coordination is a fuck up

Too much erring on the side of caution? I believe so.

**Edbear** · 23rd November 2010, 20:21

We're all experts in our lounges. We have to remember, as WT so eloquently put it, we are not experts and know nothing of what we are discussing.

Down at the site and in communication from around the world ARE the experts who know what they are doing and have done this many times before. Imagine the headlines if they had gone in and caused a second blast as happened in Aus, killing all in the mine including the rescuers... Imagine the repercussions and recrimination then!

To say heads will roll may be true but that will hopefully depend upon the proper results of proper reviews and inquiries, not because of a media lynching of people they can see and thereby focus their misguided and ignorant ire upon.

It's not just the life of the volunteer willing to go in regardless of the risk they had to consider, it was also the possibility that there were survivors down there who would certainly be killed in a secondary blast.

Let's just pull our heads in and accept that far more qualified people than us are doing their best to resolve a horrible situation that we know nothing about.

**White trash** · 23rd November 2010, 20:31

Originally Posted by Edbear

It's not just the life of the volunteer willing to go in regardless of the risk they had to consider, it was also the possibility that there were survivors down there who would certainly be killed in a secondary blast..

Sorry bro, I don't think we're on the same page here. There are steps that can be taken to ensure risk of a second explosion is minimized. What do you think is done when they have a leak or major rupture on a drilling rig and need to evacuate? Tell everyone to hide under theirbed and not move in case they cause an explosion?

There are instruments to detect gas levels and from what I can tell, there's no reason not to moblize people as far as they can safely travel. At the moment, they don't know whether the gas levels are high, low or non existant. Why aren't teams moving as far as they can safely?

**Edbear** · 23rd November 2010, 20:40

We'd need to ask the experts that one... They've got the gear and know how to use it and they're onsite desperate to get in there and consulting constantly with all the other experts from all around the world.

**scumdog** · 23rd November 2010, 20:41

Maybe those in charge just like fucking up peoples lives??

(Well that's the sort of theory you see on KB at times)

**scumdog** · 23rd November 2010, 20:45

Originally Posted by scissorhands

Watching Campbell Live tonight it sounds like rescue coordination is a fuck up

Yeah well the media are good at making things sound like a fuck up.

I bet they could make tomorrows sunrise seem like one.....

**R6_kid:Me** · 23rd November 2010, 20:47

You want to know what tension is. Sitting down to eat dinner in a room full of underground miners with this shit all over the news for the second time in a few months.

We've just had a big safety focus campaign the other week, and safety in general here is the overriding thing that determines if work goes ahead or not. Would hate to be in the shoes of the families of those guys down there, and I'm kinda glad I work in an office out here!

**twinbruva** · 23rd November 2010, 20:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yeah well the media are good at making things sound like a fuck up.

I bet they could make tomorrows sunrise seem like one.....

That's if there is one.

**White trash** · 23rd November 2010, 20:55

Originally Posted by Edbear

We'd need to ask the experts that one... They've got the gear and know how to use it and they're onsite desperate to get in there and consulting constantly with all the other experts from all around the world.

.....being told to stand back until it's guarunteed tha it's safe.......

Sometimes, risks need to be taken. I think this is one of those times. I can not bear to imagine the rescue team finally getting the go ahead on Thursday, only to find 29 dehydrated bodies huddled around a ruptured ventilation pipe that's been blowing in clean air for them to breath, two days too late.

Not saying everyone on site or making the decisions doesn't have the very best of intentions, I'm simply wondering if they're not being overly cautious.

If it was my son down there, I'd be the very first picking up the equipment required and moving. Anyone standing in my path would cop a Glock. I can't believe the restraint shown by the families thus far. They're far more reasonable than I.