His Excellency
WT, your either trolling, or a huge know it all.
If you want to experience a similar situation, stand in a room fill with an unknown mix of LPG and air while smoking a cigarette.
Locked door, with no escape, and throw in a vent pumping methane/carbon monoixde in.
Try that, and then get back to us.........................................maybe.
A blast that lasts for over 50sec is huge.
Forum whore
Don't believe everything you read in the papers sonny!Originally Posted by scissorhands
Campbell is a sensationalist, just like the rest of the media.
Trumpydom!
Forum whore
I feel for those families on the coast, but i think we should all sit back and let the real EXPERTS try and fix this.
Would hate to be in the same circumstances for sure.
Trumpydom!
NEDWN VIII
The families are saying different.
They beleive there is one person getting in the way and thats Supt Knowles.
The mine rescuers want to go into the mine, the air is clear for the first 2 kms or so.
Another question has been asked this morning..should the Police be running the rescue operation?
Forum whore
The problem appears to be the PR machine and the way they are releasing the severity of the disaster in steps to the family. They deserved full disclosure. WTF now it is a massive 50 second blast. The families were given hope and now it's been taken away.
NEDWN VIII
Certainly makes you wonder what it would have like closer to the blast site.
So the robot was started up over night and made to about the 1000mt mark but has come the end of its battery life.
Trying to be a good dog
The people I'm believing are the miners and experienced rescuers, who are the ones calling fuck up, not Campsmell, sonny!Don't believe everything you read in the papers sonny!
Campbell is a sensationalist, just like the rest of the media.
In fact, YOUR the one parroting the media
Why the fuck didnt they strap on extra batteries and wire in?
So simple to do! Surely the range on existing batteries is calculable? Now the only tool they had is stuck unusable? Feck
More good press for those in charge!
Churches are monuments to self importance
Impromtu gravity attacks
It's a bomb disposal / de-mining robot intended for outdoor use on the surface within 100m of it's operator, it's not a mine rescue robot designed for that environment, there's a few subtle differences.......It's being used because it's all we have available in this country.
About the "rescue should go ahead regardless" theme....let's assume the environment is not suitable for breathing shall we? How long does an air tank last...30 minutes? So they can walk in for 15 minutes then come back for a refill or drag an air hose 2.5kms long behind them over rough terrain, tell me how this works?
I've only been involved with maritime search and rescue so know nothing about the mines but if their SAR team is anything like all the other SAR volunters I know they would have been in there if it was safe to do so, regardless of whether the police said go or stay. I'm picking it isn't very safe to go in there and believe it or not, when you are a SAR volunteer you want to save people but also go home yourself at the end of the job.
Maybe if you guys feel so strongly about helping you could pop over the Pike River and have a go yourselves?
Forum whore
Someone has to run it but I've been watching every day and I'm sure that the Police are taking advice from the experts and if they were assured it was safe they would have no hesitation in going in. Remember they are in constant contact with experts around the world. So as to "running the operation" I think you'll find the consultants from around the world and locally are the experts making the judgements based on monitoring and discussion and advising the authorities who are not experts as to the situation. I can't see Gary Knowles or Peter Whittle going against the advice they are being given on a minute by minute basis.
Being in my current situation I am able to keep up all day every day with the news. I watch every media conference and hear every word said by those in charge and I hear the questions being asked by the media. The mine rescuers and miners are not calling it a stuff up and the authorities are listening to the advice of the experts.The people I'm believing are the miners and experienced rescuers, who are the ones calling fuck up, not Campsmell, sonny!
In fact, YOUR the one parroting the media
Why the fuck didnt they strap on extra batteries and wire in?
So simple to do! Surely the range on existing batteries is calculable? Now the only tool they had is stuck unusable? Feck
More good press for those in charge!
The miner's families are as frustrated and anxious as everyone else but support the rescue team implicitly despite their fear. I heard John Campbell's questions at one of the conferences and he was being an inane idiot, as he usually is, asking a stupid and irrelevant question about why they delayed releasing the video, pushing the point despite being given a clear answer.
The media are then going away and putting their own spin on the information they have been given and precious little of the published story is actually what was given them, but it is bulked out and hyped up to fill space and sell their papers and TV News shows.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Forum whore
My sentiments exactly. If all these Superhuman characters from the mining fraternity that have voiced their opinions so widely on the MEDIA are so sure they are right about these so called holdups, were to go off and do their thing, we may well end up with more dead than we would like.
I'm no expert on these matters and am happy to let the ones who are just get on with it. The fellas siting at the BBQ table on tele last night should maybe do the same, cause i figure if they were so damn good, they would be part of the rescue team themselves.
Trumpydom!
Forum whore
I have great sympathy for the public faces as they are the natural target for vilification and do not deserve the criticism they are receiving. We're seeing mob hysteria developing by ignorant people crying very loudly and I fear a media lynch mob looking for someone to blame for not going in straight away.
People cannot accept the fact that the operation is being run by miners, experienced mine rescue teams and experts from around the world and the authorities making the decisions are being advised and guided by expert and experienced opinion and onsite data. Those criticising and making the most noise are those who have NO IDEA what they are talking about and speak from total ignorance and would be laughed at and ridiculed and even condemned were they to go there and voice their ignorance personally to the rescue teams!
Yeah, the world's full of armchair experts...
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Sir Cumference
That's certainly the situation as I see it. Gary Knowles is making the executive decisions based on advice from the experts - if he wasn't doing so there would have been anarchy on site long before now.
His only downfall is his autocratic style - constant references to "I" and "me", rather than "we" and "us". But as the unfortunate patsy who has to make the ultimate and dire decisions, it is quite understandable.
Give the man a break.
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Can I believe the magic of your size... (The Shirelles)
Forum whore
Were did you get your info from the miners and rescuers???? Were you talking to them???The people I'm believing are the miners and experienced rescuers, who are the ones calling fuck up, not Campsmell, sonny!
In fact, YOUR the one parroting the media
Why the fuck didnt they strap on extra batteries and wire in?
So simple to do! Surely the range on existing batteries is calculable? Now the only tool they had is stuck unusable? Feck
More good press for those in charge!
I would say you got it either from tv or newspaper. ei: media.
One can sit here and spout on about all these fantastic ideas, yet have no first hand knowledge of the place or situation.
For example, do you have any idea of the logic behind the robot.
My guess, and i repeat, GUESS is that they would use any form of help available to them that was possible at the time to achieve anything they could from it. No matter how little or how much they gained it would have to be a positive effort.
They appear to have the best of the best there trying to do the best they can.
I say stand behind them and hope like fuck they succeed.
Trumpydom!
Impromtu gravity attacks
You are correct, police run all SAR in New Zealand simply because they have the largest national organisation and someone has to have overall control, not because they are experts in a given field. In my experience they listen very well to the local experts and take their advice.
Hardcore Biker
very disturbing and sad outcome for new zealand really,sorry for the families and workmates of these guys.
i have followed the development of pike river weekly/daily since 2004,and just seen around $180000 disappear from me yesterday because of it.i guess ill have to go back to work now instead of playing with my bikes everyday
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