The creation of "money" and who benefits! ( For those who would like to know!)

**oldrider** · 23rd November 2010, 14:45

The Creation of "money", who it benefits, how and why and why you are not one of them!

Listen to this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6moe-...eature=related if you are interested!

The New Zealand Social Credit party was lampooned and ridiculed for exposing this and offering an alternative, "why"?

Under the first past the post electoral system, Social Credit achieved 21% of the vote and got only one or two seats in parliament for their efforts!

The rest of your elected representatives ganged up on them, both Labour and National and ridiculed them as the "Funny Money" party who would issue money at will!

They also called them the $3:00 note party and the electorate believed them and rushed to follow Bob Jones and his New Zealand party, supposedly to attack National and Robert Muldoon but it was Social Credit that they were really targeting and getting rid of, "WHY"?

Have another listen to the video above, if you still don't get it, I guess you probably never will!

One of the biggest critics of Social Credit, was Jim Anderton, the man who brought you Kiwi Bank, through his alliance with "Democrats for Social Credit", funny how leopards can change their spots when it suits them politically!

Social Credit was warned not to use that title for their political party name, because the socialists would grab it and use it to their own devices and devalue its principles, that is exactly what has happened in New Zealand.

**Mudfart** · 23rd November 2010, 15:49

its very interesting to have ones eyes opened to know who shits in your backyard, and surprise surprise its the friendly neighbourhood watch.
if our own hicktown polititians can pull stunts like this, imagine the shit that goes down that we have no knowledge of.
btw, i havent watched the boob toob vid yet coz im at SLOW band speed til the 26th. another extra tax the revenue gatherers take. ahhh i remember when telecom had unlimited bandwidth at one low monthly fee.

**oldrider** · 23rd November 2010, 16:36

Another illustration of the evolution of money and "our" demise!

This one is slow to get going! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_40a...eature=related

I was caned and chastised severely at school for asking questions of this nature, was in to my twenties before I learned why, they simply didn't know the answer and I was persistent beyond their endurance!

Not bitter, simply astounded but when you know the truth, better men than me and my teachers have been fooled by this lot, time to awaken me thinks!

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 23rd November 2010, 17:31

Part of the the ZEITGEIST and ZEITGEIST Addendum They are making a third one and should be out soon. The movies and you can down load the whole thing from their website.

and basically that is what I have been saying for years, people are modern day slaves to the system and yet the don't know it...

**mashman** · 23rd November 2010, 18:04

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

and basically that is what I have been saying for years, people are modern day slaves to the system and yet the don't know it...

I think people know it, or knew it once upon a time, suspect it, or just choose to ignore it as a foregone conclusion that they have absolutely no say in whatsoever. Ok, people get to vote

**Motu** · 23rd November 2010, 18:16

If you weren't going to vote Labour or National,you had two choices - Social Credit or the Communist Party.Social Credit sounded like socialism to me,so I always voted for the Communist Party.Nice to watch the results on TV,and see your one vote actually up on the board.

**scissorhands** · 23rd November 2010, 18:29

For those that know, no explanation is necessary, for those that dont, none is possible. Rejecting the pack consciousness and the big man rhetoric, is too much for most pundits.

**twinbruva** · 23rd November 2010, 18:39

Originally Posted by oldrider

The Creation of "money", who it benefits, how and why and why you are not one of them!

Listen to this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6moe-...eature=related if you are interested!

The New Zealand Social Credit party was lampooned and ridiculed for exposing this and offering an alternative, "why"?

Under the first past the post electoral system, Social Credit achieved 21% of the vote and got only one or two seats in parliament for their efforts!

The rest of your elected representatives ganged up on them, both Labour and National and ridiculed them as the "Funny Money" party who would issue money at will!

They also called them the $3:00 note party and the electorate believed them and rushed to follow Bob Jones and his New Zealand party, supposedly to attack National and Robert Muldoon but it was Social Credit that they were really targeting and getting rid of, "WHY"?

Have another listen to the video above, if you still don't get it, I guess you probably never will!

One of the biggest critics of Social Credit, was Jim Anderton, the man who brought you Kiwi Bank, through his alliance with "Democrats for Social Credit", funny how leopards can change their spots when it suits them politically!

Social Credit was warned not to use that title for their political party name, because the socialists would grab it and use it to their own devices and devalue its principles, that is exactly what has happened in New Zealand.

Ahh Zeitgeist, great movie. I also have the 'Addendum' and he is apparently making a third. Can't wait.

**oldrider** · 23rd November 2010, 19:14

Money as debt part #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuo70...eature=related

**oldrider** · 23rd November 2010, 19:30

Money as a debt part #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ767...eature=related

**Edbear** · 23rd November 2010, 20:04

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, Man isn't clever enough or united enough to pull it off. I can pick some holes in the videos on that score.

What is true is that greed and mismanagement due to the "need" to make profits has lead to exploiting the "wants" and needs of people and taking risks that are short-sighted and bound to fail in the medium to long term.

Banks encourage borrowing to ensure a steady income of interest and allow, even encourage, people to borrow beyond their means. They also borrow money to lend it out on higher interest to make more money. The interest is calculated as an asset that is then used to underwrite further lending/borrowing, leading to the situation where there is not enough actual cash to settle the debts should it all turn to custard and the debtors default.

This is no more blatant than the subprime situation in the US that triggered the world's economic crisis. I opined back in the 80's that the world was heading for financial disaster due to the "paper money" that did not exist and many financiers were warning about the consequences ahead.

Think about it. Banks lending 120% of the value of the property while interest rates were low, counting on the borrower's being able to cover the future repayments when they were stretching to service the initial loan, not considering the future interest rate rises, and also counting on capital value increasing to cover the 20% deficit in the value of the security!

The borrower defaults, the bank forecloses on a property worth less than the debt, the bank can't recover more than about 70% of the debt and then defaults on its own borrowing. Multiply that by thousands of banks and billions of dollars and you have a guaranteed world financial meltdown!

The financial system depends on the populace being able to service debt and spend money. NZ, while we were in a far better position than the US, UK and Europe, has been struggling to survive simply because people suddenly got scared and decided to stop spending, leading to a snowball effect as businesses went under through lack of custom leading to more unemployment and less money being spent and so on....

Money can be managed effectively but unfortunately it requires fiscal responsibility, self-control and a lack of greed, not things readily found in people.

So rather than a conspiracy by a faceless, nameless group of men in high places who haven't got the ability to get it together, it is a natural consequence of Man's greed and incompetence with everyone jumping on the bandwagon for fear they will be left behind or miss out. Certainly there are deals done by the wealthy to further their own interests, but it's a cut-throat world and there are no friends in these "high places". Collapse was inevitable!

**oldrider** · 23rd November 2010, 21:43

Money as a debt part #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGJW...eature=related

**oldrider** · 23rd November 2010, 21:55

Money as debt part #5 (conclusion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFKG...eature=related

**ellipsis** · 23rd November 2010, 23:28

....for the love of money, is the root of all evil....

**Brian d marge** · 24th November 2010, 00:14

the whole system relies on our sticking to the system , if we dont follow it and remove our personal debt , the whole system falls down

yes we have to use money BUT bypass the banks , buy local , help your kids by reducing the debt they have ,

and by that they become free(er) , my debt is sod all hence I dont have to work every hour of the day ,,

and for $&'(89"" sake ignore the IMF

see Ireland and NZ for how to be shafted by said institutions

Stephen