When are the Courts going to start backing the Police?

[Scuba_Steve]

If you think prison is 4 star accomodation, you must have pretty low expectancy in your life. I pity you!

Well maybee not 4-star but our prisons are quite decent better than most these people would have if in their own home

TPTB are getting a bit fed up, so maybe things will change. How about automatic crushing of the car if it is owned by the driver or the driver is driving with the approval of the owner? This should be on first offence!

I thought this was why people were running more, fear of 'Crusher Collins' crushing their vehicle at least by running they have some chance of keeping their car (in their mind anyways). I know I'd be more likely to make a panic decision to run if my vehicle was up for crushing. (tho for shits n giggles I'd probably do the slowest police case ever)

[Edbear]

Well maybee not 4-star but our prisons are quite decent better than most these people would have if in their own home



I thought this was why people were running more, fear of 'Crusher Collins' crushing their vehicle at least by running they have some chance of keeping their car (in their mind anyways). I know I'd be more likely to make a panic decision to run if my vehicle was up for crushing. (tho for shits n giggles I'd probably do the slowest police case ever)

No, no, I said crushing for running. Make it not worth running and it may make a difference. If they stop, no threat of crushing, if they run, automatic crushing.

[Banditbandit]

All it will take is an appeal judge to deem that intent was not proven, or find fult in the Police's case, and the sentence wiil be reduced to Manslaughter. Which carries a much tamer sentence.

But you will know all this....

I'm sorry - but the difference between the sentence for Manslaughter and for Murder is that Murder has a compulsory Minimum of 10 years with no parole - while Manslaughter has no set minimum ... people convicted of Manslaughter can be sentenced to life in prison - with an extended parole period

[Scuba_Steve]

No, no, I said crushing for running. Make it not worth running and it may make a difference. If they stop, no threat of crushing, if they run, automatic crushing.

oh ok your talking bout reversing current crushing laws & making it just if you run? that would probably work but only when the cars not stolen but then stolen cars are usually gonna run regardless. So I can only see that being a slight improvement no real down side... I like the idea

[Edbear]

oh ok your talking bout reversing current crushing laws & making it just if you run? that would probably work but only when the cars not stolen but then stolen cars are usually gonna run regardless. So I can only see that being a slight improvement no real down side... I like the idea

I wouldn't want stolen cars crushed, only if owned by the driver or being driven with the owner's approval when the driver is unlicensed as is the usual case. Automatic 28 days in jail too for running would hurt!

[avgas]

Like this loser? He should never get out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/assault-an...ectid=10691793

The conservative side of me want him dead - not to consume another breath of our oxygen.
The other side of me want him to be tortured, and die a thousand deaths before he is allowed to pass over.

No side of me wants him locked away.

[avgas]

If you think prison is 4 star accomodation, you must have pretty low expectancy in your life. I pity you!

Ok your right.
Its more like a 4 star hotel you can wash down with a hose.

[avgas]

What a muppet, killing yourself while trying to do a runner.

People are dying to get away from the cops these days.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Man go away for the weekend and all hell breaks loose on the the news... Read this and went through just about every emotion possible in a split second. What kind of society are we living in today... a fucked up one thats for sure... Ashamed to call myself human when you have animals like that called themself human...

[Genestho]

We are constrained by precedents set of laws and previously weak sentences, based on quieter and gentle times in our history, for example, the maximum time for drink driving causing death, about to be updated hasn't been since the 1960's.

Although things are changing ever so slightly - I'm told, somewhere along the line a certain female Judge set precendent over a few cases at 2 years, for the average sentence. Judges are required to be consistant although they can be creative.

It's possibly not going to happen that vehicular manslaughter would come in - in the near future, as the the whole sentencing structure regarding driving penalties would have to be revised and re-worked.

But we have been, and are seeing it right across the board for everything.

Factors considered at sentencing are diminished responsibility, mitigating circumstances, hardship, restorative justice/remorse - a victims right, early pleading of guilt, there's the wet bus ticket.

Add that to a shortage of prison space and every other alternate option possible is looked at.

Crazy that people should have to push so hard.

As far as crushing, I always thought that was a waste of money, it costs us to do this and smashing a perfectly good vehicle seems a waste, at least with auctioning - the money's recycled.

[Banditbandit]

There have already been a few (I'll admit not that many) people convicted of manslaughter following road deaths ... there does not need to be a change in legislation for that to happen - just a change in the police and what they charge people with ...

[scumdog]

There have already been a few (I'll admit not that many) people convicted of manslaughter following road deaths ... there does not need to be a change in legislation for that to happen - just a change in the police and what they charge people with ...

Ah..wrong.

It's Judges needing to convict on the charge - no use charging the person with manslaughter if you can't get a conviction on same, is there??

And up until recently that's what the sticking point has been.

[Genestho]

There have already been a few (I'll admit not that many) people convicted of manslaughter following road deaths ... there does not need to be a change in legislation for that to happen - just a change in the police and what they charge people with ...

I am aware of the few that have been charged with manslaughter, it's not a change (well, not counting re-working the other driver penalties - is that a bad thing? I don't know, but of course a big job regardless and on top of what has been done already, I'd be surprised if it did get through) but an addition recognising the vehicle as a weapon under the Land Transport Act, when driven by those who have been warned of the consequences at each previous conviction but elect to continue anway..and then kill.

So I've suggested mandatory for serious recidivst drink drivers

It has been previously discussed under the current bill going through parliament due for next reading 16th December.

As SD says, it's been extremely hard for Police to charge for manslaughter and gain a successful conviction.

[Swoop]

Well thats it isn't it the whole systems fucked. 1st change I would make is prisons, if people bitched about the shipping containers they're gonna have a fucking spazm at "tent city" just like the US state complete with bright pink uniforms no more 4 star accommodation for NZ's worst they will get what they deserve, food will be just as good plain, boring & cheap.

What is with the perpetual moaning about "2 prisoners to a cell" in the jails? Tent cities would be good if located in Waiouru or Twizel!
If using shipping containers, I'm sure we could get customs to "fumigate" them of the worst scum, like mentioned previously in the thread.

Well maybee not 4-star but our prisons are quite decent better than most these people would have if in their own home

In-cell SKY TV for one thing. I don't have sky tv, but the prisoners do.

[admenk]

I don't have sky tv, but the prisoners do.

You're not missing much....