When is a full license not a full license?

**PrincessBandit** · 11th December 2010, 18:00

Ok ok, so I'm on a fricken hobby horse at the moment.

But, in light of recent events in the life of my young man, I am really starting to agree with the notion of bikers being second class citizens. Always thought it was a bit of twaddle really, but what has changed my perspective was the following conversation:

un-named woman who interviewed my son recently for a job: "He doesn't have a full New Zealand license".
Me: "Yes he does. He has held a full class 6 license for over a year, and just also happens to have a 1R".
un-named woman: "That is not the same. He does not have a full driver's license".
Me: "So you are telling me that any full licensed motorbike rider who doesn't drive a car or hold a full class 1 license does not have a full New Zealand license?"
un-named woman: "Yes. that is correct. They are not the same"
me: persevering..."well, it says nothing about a car license on your form, it simply asks the status of your drivers license, whether it is restricted or full".
her: "your son is the first person who has ever questioned us over this". (OMG! how dare he!!)
me: "really?"
her: "yes. And in my experience, people always have a full car license before getting their motorbike one".

At that point I got the distinct impression I was not going to get anywhere with her so ended the conversation.

There you have it folks. Further proof that there really are pillocks out there who stick to their blinkered reality - which has nothing to do with the real world of those who ride.

**Virago** · 11th December 2010, 18:04

One thing isn't clear - was having a full car license a requirement for the job...?

**PrincessBandit** · 11th December 2010, 18:07

It wasn't specified as being essential. And the "car" part was omitted completely.

**steve_t** · 11th December 2010, 18:10

It's just another 'cager' with tunnel vision. There's really no point in arguing the point with her. Technically, you're correct, but that doesn't help the matter. Just forget about her and move on

**Headbanger** · 11th December 2010, 18:18

Imagine if we didn't have the internet, we would be forced to miss out on huge news like this.

Suggest you son gets his car license and takes the knocks as they come,Pointless or not it won't be the last., There is no argument to be won, Getting employment is the issue.

**Indoo** · 11th December 2010, 18:19

She is completely right if the job involves any sort of driving, your being precious and overly aggressive over something that seems kinda obvious. If it doesn't then the opposite applies.

**Headbanger** · 11th December 2010, 18:22

I started at a new company a couple weeks back, In a quite senior role, On about the second day the head cheese asked me what I done in my spare time, Told him I had a road bike, He dismissed it as a death trap and got a couple affirmative nods and grunts from the other staff.

I stood up and declared myself and my bike as 50 trillion times more awesome then every pansy in the office. LMFAO.

**SMOKEU** · 11th December 2010, 18:29

They should have mentioned "full class 1 licence", not just "full drivers licence" or "car licence".

**hayd3n** · 11th December 2010, 18:40

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Ok ok, so I'm on a fricken hobby horse at the moment.

But, in light of recent events in the life of my young man, I am really starting to agree with the notion of bikers being second class citizens. Always thought it was a bit of twaddle really, but what has changed my perspective was the following conversation:

un-named woman who interviewed my son recently for a job: "He doesn't have a full New Zealand license".
Me: "Yes he does. He has held a full class 6 license for over a year, and just also happens to have a 1R".
un-named woman: "That is not the same. He does not have a full driver's license".
Me: "So you are telling me that any full licensed motorbike rider who doesn't drive a car or hold a full class 1 license does not have a full New Zealand license?"
un-named woman: "Yes. that is correct. They are not the same"
me: persevering..."well, it says nothing about a car license on your form, it simply asks the status of your drivers license, whether it is restricted or full".
her: "your son is the first person who has ever questioned us over this". (OMG! how dare he!!)
me: "really?"
her: "yes. And in my experience, people always have a full car license before getting their motorbike one".

At that point I got the distinct impression I was not going to get anywhere with her so ended the conversation.

There you have it folks. Further proof that there really are pillocks out there who stick to their blinkered reality - which has nothing to do with the real world of those who ride.

its a simple error on their side

**Virago** · 11th December 2010, 18:46

Okay, the "car" part wasn't specified, but there is little point in arguing the semantics of it.

My employees must have a driver's license as a requirement of employment, for driving our service vehicles (cars). I've never specified it as car license - perhaps I should. But if the parent of a prospective employee decided to argue the point, I would suspect that young person would be unlikely to proceed further in the process.

Obviously we don't know the full details or reasons, but I'm surprised that you're so heavily involved in his employment application?

**porky** · 11th December 2010, 19:10

And whats a full NZ drivers licence? all classes 1 to 6 c/w dg and wtr endorsments. Shit lets throw in a bus as well.
I had a bike at 15, car at 21 as i needed it to get my HT, glad i didnt run into her back then. Come to think about most of my mates were the same. Bike vs a clapped out escort or anglia.... no contest.

Worlds full of drop kicks, you just ran into one of them!

**Toaster** · 11th December 2010, 19:40

Originally Posted by Virago

Okay, the "car" part wasn't specified, but there is little point in arguing the semantics of it.

My employees must have a driver's license as a requirement of employment, for driving our service vehicles (cars). I've never specified it as car license - perhaps I should. But if the parent of a prospective employee decided to argue the point, I would suspect that young person would be unlikely to proceed further in the process.

Obviously we don't know the full details or reasons, but I'm surprised that you're so heavily involved in his employment application?

I agree with you. But her reaction is that of a protective mother.

**porky** · 11th December 2010, 20:30

Originally Posted by Headbanger

I started at a new company a couple weeks back, In a quite senior role, On about the second day the head cheese asked me what I done in my spare time, Told him I had a road bike, He dismissed it as a death trap and got a couple affirmative nods and grunts from the other staff.

I stood up and declared myself and my bike as 50 trillion times more awesome then every pansy in the office. LMFAO.

Told ya not to go for that job at ACC in the claims division..... conflict of interest and all.

**PrincessBandit** · 11th December 2010, 20:44

Originally Posted by Toaster

I agree with you. But her reaction is that of a protective mother.

It was more a case of "if a car license is required for the job they should specify that".

"Driving" was not mentioned as part of the job requirement until the interview, and the question about license status didn't seem unreasonable as the job involved shift work.

I guess he's just had a shit run of bad news all at once and i feel sorry for him. As for those of you who feel I'm just being precious - well, I'm a princess I'm allowed to be!! (You can bite my big fat bum if you don't like it

)

Pissy rant over. As you were.