Thursday's Dominion Rd crash killing a biker

[Drunken Monkey]

Right...so if the Herald decides to look for a quote and finds your post (as they have done before on KB) all good, they have an eye witness statement which puts the rider at fault in this terrible thing before any details or facts known..........

Not my problem.

I'll rephrase that:

You're an idiot if you think that I should somehow be held responsible for bad journalism in a second rate newspaper.

[NONONO]

No you are not to blame for bad journalism...you are to blame for encouraging and feeding it.
You are also to blame for making unproven assumptions and reporting them as fact.
You are, in fact as bad as the bad journalist.
Nuff said.
Too sad.

[madbikeboy]

Does carver get a male stripper on his bike?

WTF? Your Avatar is a car? And an ugly assed car at that. Muppet.

[Drunken Monkey]

No you are not to blame for bad journalism...you are to blame for encouraging and feeding it.
You are also to blame for making unproven assumptions and reporting them as fact.
You are, in fact as bad as the bad journalist.
Nuff said.
Too sad.

OMFG, is your helmet too tight or something? Does it restrict oxygen flow to your brain? Since when did starting a sentence with "Eye witnesses report..." suddenly become synonymous with "I am going to make a statement of fact pertaining too.." ?

Yes, you have said enough.

An internet forum gives one the ability to think about what they are going to post before doing so. Perhaps you should use this to your advantage in future.

[NONONO]

sorry did not see the start of any sentence with "eye witness report"...
Just this..
Multiple eye-witnesses report the bike going down the median and hit the car so hard, the car spun around and back into it's lane. Ignoring any estimates of the bike's speed, surely you'd have to be doing something extremely silly for a 200kg object to shunt a 1200kg object that far - irrespective of whether the car pulled out to make a turn without checking. What was that mangled mess anyway, an FZ/R 1000 or similar?
Carry on.

[Katman]

sorry did not see the start of any sentence with "eye witness report"...
Just this..
Multiple eye-witnesses .......

Yeah, because information is soooo much less reliable when multiple people witness it.

[NONONO]

And, before ANY information and facts are released, these "multiple eye witnesses" are....?

[Katman]

And, before ANY information and facts are released, these "multiple eye witnesses" are....?

Ahhh, just off the top of my head.......

......maybe the people that witnessed it?

[NONONO]

So we are back to..
Fat bloke down the pub...numpty......
Had enough...
Someone died last night....as I said earlier, sickened and angry....
No more from me here.

[Kendog]

How can you not see a motorcycle...from the horrible image it looked like a twin headlight.
I'm 6ft, my bikes bright red, my lights are on...what is difficult to see?

Cars have blind spots. The blind spot in a turning car can move in the same way another vehicle is moving, making it seem invisible.
That is what happened to me in a car, very very nearly wiped a big guy on a big bike out.
It's not an excuse, but it is reality.

[Drunken Monkey]

I think my customer would be offended by you calling him a "fat bloke down the pub" and "numpty". In the years I've worked with him, I have found him to be a credible person. He also rides himself, so when he makes a guesstimate to the "great rate of knots" the bike zoomed past moments before impact, I don't have any grounds to think that he is lying.

He is obviously self-respecting enough to not bother wasting his time on this site, and with the inane crap that's been posted over the last couple of years around this place I'm inclined to think it's a good philosophy. If it wasn't for some of the good friends I've made in meatspace through using this service, fools like yourself would have driven me off years ago.

[junkmanjoe]

I didn't see you.
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from a truck drivers point of view..
quite a few times ive had cars and bikes, appear from no where when ive been turning in to flowing traffic. its very easy to lose, or not even see a car or bike behind the big truck mirrors. ive been caught out thinking the way was clear to go, and out of nowhere pops the car or bike.. give ya a hell of a fright....

my other point is why is the media taking such photos, they getting a kick out of it..

just thinking the shit feeling the girl will have knowing her partner / friend has passed away.

wouldn't wish that on anyone...

keep safe guys and gals its silly season out there and its going to get worse..

JMJ

[danchop]

ive not read the posts,but ive seen the pic on the website and this accident is the direct result of a biker,too cocky for his worth as a biker and more so for his pillion..
the impact of shattering his front rim suggests speed in well excess of 50k per hour
sadly he deserved what he got but peace be on the pillion

[more_fasterer]

Multiple eye-witnesses report the bike going down the median and hit the car so hard, the car spun around and back into it's lane. Ignoring any estimates of the bike's speed, surely you'd have to be doing something extremely silly for a 200kg object to shunt a 1200kg object that far - irrespective of whether the car pulled out to make a turn without checking. What was that mangled mess anyway, an FZ/R 1000 or similar?

Something doesn't add up here. I was on the scene shortly after the crash occurred (i.e. before popo / fire arrived) and the car most certainly wasn't in its own lane, it was 3/4 in the opposite lane and the remaining 1/4 on the median strip. It was also angled about 30deg towards the side road. That didn't indicate to me that the car had spun around, and the damage to the car wasn't consistent with a high-speed crash.






Footnote: Having ignored this place for two years, its facepalm-inducing to return & see that katman is still passing judgement and berating motorcyclists, based only on parochial selection of media stories.

[The Pastor]

always ride with the assumption no one can see you, and you'll never give a cager the opportunity to say "sorry mate didn't see you".

The rider should always give way to the car. Might has right - and it will always be this way.

This is my attitude to riding, and it has served me well, despite all my tickets, wheelies, burnouts, stunts and general being a dickhead.

While the accident may not be your fault, 90% of the time you could of avoided the accident if you were paying attention to your surroundings.