Stabbed policeman left to die

[Toaster]

Oh, we're going there are we?

What, you've been there once and probably paniced your arse off; that does not make you instantly qualified to dictate the appropriateness of carrying a glock in every case

That's a bit misguided... just how is a pistol going to beat those tools used by criminals?

And you call me misguided? Dont fall off your armchair. No didnt panic, was in that situation several times and always did the right thing. Luck maybe. Good use of ones training possibly.

But hey how would you know eh.

[Smifffy]

what like this guy's sentence? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10694289

when the judge has a kid that gets sexually assaulted or raped by an HIV +ve man, he sure as won't be saying that the offending was 'occasionally degrading'

i'm fucking speechless

Yeah, me too. I bought into the nats "get tough on crime" election promises. It turns out that John Key is a softer cock than Helen Clark (Guess I shouldn't be that surprised) when it comes to loser crims.

[scumdog]

As expected

As expected, these thugs arent bad kids, but


How can ones family be so stupid?

When you look at who the kind of slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted drongos they're related to it should not surprise you at all

[Toaster]

In fact, the particulars of that case are not too dissimilar to other recent police attacks and shootings ...

The guy in ChCh, who also shot the dog - shot before anyone knew there were guns on the property ...

Jan Molenaar in Napier - was shooting before anyone knew he even had guns ...

The undercover in Auckland bugging a car late at night - shot before anyone knew what was happening ...

All three were "out of the blue" and having guns would not have helped police in any of those cases ... and I would argue that those kinds of cases may become even more frequent - as crims shoot at cops first ...

If the cops go in with guns drawn., then they are more likely to shoot innocent people (tho' I would argue that there are cases were they do need to go in with guns drawn - and they do that anyway, with the Armed Offenders Squad ... we don't need new laws to let them do that ...)

The presence of a firearm does not stop a cop making mistakes - as they did in all those cases. Its far more complex than what you and imdying suggest.

All I am saying is if a cop wants to carry a firearm to help with the choices they have for protecting themselves against the shit in society, then let them.

[98tls]

Out of interest why havent cops here worn handguns for years?Whos responsible for them not being armed and anyone know what the reasons are for not arming them.

[BoristheBiter]

Black markets-drug money, chop shops, anger and parental anger regarding youth, domination, intoxication............basically a society produces criminal activity in the populace

Why does Sweden have many freedoms, unlike Saudi Arabia, and a very low crime rate?

well that is the soft cock, limp wristed,,PC bullshit blame everyone else for them being criminals answer that I excepted.

What a complete load of bollocks you spout.

As for Sweden, they have the same offending rate as here and they are more soft cock so that doesn't work.
Saudi is more police state than the USA so thats why they have a lower crime rate and that's the way it should be but i could just imagine what you would all say if we started cutting off the hands of thieves, have a good stoning or God forbid we take the benefit off them

like Smiffy said some people just think they are entitled to.

[98tls]

Saudi is more police state than the USA so thats why they have a lower crime rate and that's the way it should be but i could just imagine what you would all say if we started cutting off the hands of thieves, have a good stoning or God forbid we take the benefit off them

like Smiffy said some people just think they are entitled to.

Bring it on i say,chopping off rapists and kiddie fiddlers dicks would be a good place to start eh.

[JimO]

When you look at who the kind of slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted drongos they're related to it should not surprise you at all

chop em up cuz chop em up,...........time for these people to quietly disappear one night

[marty]

Out of interest why havent cops here worn handguns for years?Whos responsible for them not being armed and anyone know what the reasons are for not arming them.

In the early 80's the then-commisioner decided that senior cops (detectives, sergeants and senior sergeants) could not carry firearms during their normal duties (night shift d's almost always carried)

this policy has remained pretty much in force, however most section sergeants, seniors and dog handlers now carry a pistol during the hours of darkness, and certainly in some areas that would be considered high risk.

in 2003/4 I was tooled up (much to my father's disgust) pretty much on any shift except early shift - i always had a holster on though, and a glock in a floor safe under my feet

and in 1991, my s/sgt was comfortable with our decision to carry or not on night shift, in a single-man i-car, based in Huntly. I always carried. Pulled it out in anger twice. to extremely good effect too i must add.

interestingly, imho the carriage of firearms is a management issue, not a governance one - I believe the govt does not have the mandate to say 'can't be done/must be done'

[98tls]

In the early 80's the then-commisioner decided that senior cops (detectives, sergeants and senior sergeants) could not carry firearms during their normal duties (night shift d's almost always carried)

this policy has remained pretty much in force, however most section sergeants, seniors and dog handlers now carry a pistol during the hours of darkness, and certainly in some areas that would be considered high risk.

in 2003/4 I was tooled up (much to my father's disgust) pretty much on any shift except early shift - i always had a holster on though, and a glock in a floor safe under my feet

Cheers.Was selling Fords up in Wellington in the 90s and rember seeing from time to time a little locable box on the floor of the mufti cars when they were in for servicing.

[BoristheBiter]

Bring it on i say,chopping off rapists and kiddie fiddlers dicks would be a good place to start eh.

No complaints from this cyber warrior.

[Patrick]

I think this sort of stuff is on the increase because the police are scamming and respect is all but gone because of this, re-seperate the cops from the P.I.G.s. (which is something the top cops have expressed they want to do, but the retard 'Crusher Collins' doesn't have an interest in doing, guess it would harm profit) DO NOT give them guns, we've seen over & over again they can't use them effectively its more harm than help & they'll become too reliant on that which they cannot control case in point Hutt Valley dog, Auckland Courier.

Sad thing is this guy seems to be one of the good cops, This is where we need eye for eye justice (see how they like the machete) but I suspect when found as they've got the corrupt piece of shit we call the (in)justice system to go though they'll probably come out with 250hr community service or something equally unjust

Geez you're hillarious. Without reading all of the thread so far...,

He is of the hated highway patrol... the very thing some on here hate with abundance, "coz I got a ticket once... or 17 times, coz I'm a real slow leaner dumbfuck..." type of thing.

In his 35 years as a traffic/cop, never been assaulted.

Bloody top bloke too, worked with him for a short time in Waiouru.

[98tls]

No complaints from this cyber warrior.

Sadly wont happen though eh,not sure whos worse the kid fiddlers or the bastards who decide there still human and have rights.There surely has to be a line drawn and when someone crosses it thats it,outta here.

[BoristheBiter]

Sadly wont happen though eh,not sure whos worse the kid fiddlers or the bastards who decide there still human and have rights.There surely has to be a line drawn and when someone crosses it thats it,outta here.

but thats it in a nutshell isn't it, the cops are doing there job and very well indeed, its the courts that let these tossers back out into society. just today i heard that dick that shot at the cops got 2 years, WTF?

All the cops on here would be able to testify to the shit sentences handed out on a daily basis by slack arsed judges and then when some one does hand out a good one it goes to appeal and gets shortened, or the dicks that have pages of history and still get bail.

IMHO if we start throwing away the key and letting these scum rot away in jail the better we will be. no problem of reoffending as they don't get let out, and it will cost about the same as having to provide the dole and legal aid.

[98tls]

but thats it in a nutshell isn't it, the cops are doing there job and very well indeed, its the courts that let these tossers back out into society. just today i heard that dick that shot at the cops got 2 years, WTF?

All the cops on here would be able to testify to the shit sentences handed out on a daily basis by slack arsed judges and then when some one does hand out a good one it goes to appeal and gets shortened, or the dicks that have pages of history and still get bail.

IMHO if we start throwing away the key and letting these scum rot away in jail the better we will be. no problem of reoffending as they don't get let out, and it will cost about the same as having to provide the dole and legal aid.

Agreed,the drink driving thing is a prime example,the money/resources etc that goes into catching them must be huge but pick up a paper in any major center the day after court day and you will find people on 6th and upwards convictions still get little more than a slap,fucking pathetic,they piss about with probation officers reports blah blah blah and come up with some so called extenuating (spell) circumstancesfuck me whats having an old man with an anger problem got to do with driving pissed.Coppers must shake there heads in disbelief.