Too big, too powerful, too much affect on "our" unsuspecting lives?

[Fatt Max]

Drug companies - bastard corporates

[ellipsis]

.....your tone Milts sounds like that of a Jesuit priest pushing the written word of the LORD JESUS CHRIST onto the Mayans or the Toltecs quite some time back....some of the vaccines over the years have played their part well....your faith in the pharmaceutical companies is beyond doubt, obviously....and are you trying to claim that all vaccines are safe and that it is a figment of a lot of imaginations that their children are brain damaged or dead because of not just a bad batch of vaccine but because of a bad vaccine....in your research as a librarian , have you come across any negative comment at all of vaccines or of how many vaccines have been pulled because they were unleashed a little prematurely.....the son of a good mate of mine in Wales ended up with severe brain damage after a vaccine shot...turned out that a few other cases of similar brain damage occurred in Britain from same vaccine...a lot more than they could say ,'it was the one in however many hundreds of thousands' case....Im not saying that they are all bad.....but I wouldnt be rolling up my sleeve for a jab of some shit that someone says is 'gonna do the trick'....just like I wouldnt drop my pants in a gay bar and tell the clientele I trusted them implicitly....trust is great , blind trust is for fools...

[Ocean1]

but I wouldnt be rolling up my sleeve for a jab

Hence: Humans:2, Viruses 498756329948739940; and counting...


Cheers very much.

[puddytat]

Then you will go oh fuck shit... maybe I didn't want to see the big picture...

Thats unfortuanately how 90% of people think WITHOUT ever reading a word or view on anything
Ive coined a syndrome for it...I I B syndrome.(TM)
To the layman it stands for the"Ignorance is bliss" condition so prevalent in our fake bullshit & shallow society that is more interested in bling , facebook or Oprah
Unlike most of ME ME ME society, I like to be informed about "Them"....it makes me angry & determined to challenge & if necessary, fight .

As an afterthought why is it in our country that you can sell people herbal highs or pre-rolled joints of some substance without any testing whatsoever & that the "Authorities will only investigate them if more than 2 or 3 complaints are recieved?

[warewolf]

Risk of problems from a vaccine: 1:100,000+
Risk of a nasty early death from virus: 1:1000-
You tell me which are the better odds.

One of the big problems with vaccination coverage these days is that the current breeding generation DIDN'T see the horrible early deaths their parents did, so they have no personal experience or incentive to vaccinate.

The interesting thing is that it is actually best for you to be unvaccinated, but surrounded by people who have been vaccinated - it moves the risk on to them and reduces yours. So the vaccine haters would actually be better off actively encouraging other people to vaccinate/their kids, but not vaccinating themselves/their kids. However, having the whole herd unprotected is just inviting disaster.

[Woodman]

More than a hint of hysteria there John. But no doubt a nugget of truth in it.



There’s a bunch of idiots too. Of all the many plagues to have killed billions of humans over the centuries just two are now extinct at our hands, due to inoculation. If we were better organised and somewhat less prone to superstitious bullshit and tyrannical elements that number would be in the hundreds. The number of deaths and misery that could have been successfully eliminated by now beggars belief.

Bloody hell the place is in the shit now with too much population. Maybe we would be better off stopping medical research completely to try and balance things out a bit.

[puddytat]

I reckon we need to get AgResearch to come up with a new virus that we can add to milk powder...
But for export markets only

[oldrider]

Also, OP should use the word 'effect', not 'affect'.

Gets me every time, thought maybe no one would notice if I got it wrong! Bloody academics!

[Winston001]

Interesting observations Winston001.

Personally I suffered a bad reaction to the polio vaccine when a school pupil.

I suffered a bad reaction to the smallpox vaccine I received before I went to sea in the Merchant Navy.

I have suffered extremely bad reactions to fungal overgrowth caused by antibiotics.

I value the guy who pioneered probiotics far more than your antibiotic bloke!

But the medical people still insist that everyone should be treated with their vaccines even though everybody does not react the same to them!

Most of the complaints against vaccines is the fact that they contain so much "mercury" in them!

Then again as you say: So much for an educated populace!

I found this site was while I was looking for alternatives to the medicine the status quo medics insist is right for me!

I have no axe to grind with the medical except that I do not believe that they must not be questioned and that "they" are infallible!

My own medical doctor is fantastic but now she is going to Australia to practice! (funny description that)

Oh well, to each his own, I like to know what it is someone is trying to shove into me and make my own decisions!

Good on you John. I don't doubt your sincerity for a moment. It is true that some people suffer adverse reactions to medicine. It isn't a perfect world and the human body is more complex than we can presently understand. Nothing wrong with making your own decisions.

[Winston001]

Hence: Humans:2, Viruses 498756329948739940; and counting...


Cheers very much.

Yeup!

We had a German exchange student visit a while ago. Her parents were sort of hippies and didn't believe in vaccination......until they had a child who caught rubella (measles). That child (who is an adult today) has the mental functioning of an average pet and has to live in a special high needs hospital. Her sister (our guest) referred to her as being like an affectionate puppy. Bloody tragic - and all for want of a pinprick injection.

[James Deuce]

Down Syndrome. Genetic disorder. 100% of Down Syndrome children vaccinated with MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) experience increased learning difficulties, damaged hearing and speech centres in the brain and increased chance of leukaemia. More than 75% will experience infantile spasms bad enough to potentially cause further brain damage to an already compromised organ. Down syndrome children are nearly all neutropenic, that is suffering from a lack of the white blood cells (neutrophils) that fight infection and are susceptible to leukaemia without help from the stress of vaccination.

Modern-era institutionalised and vaccinated Down Syndrome children are thought to be lower functioning than the historic 8% of their brethren who survived infancy pre-vaccination era. Thankfully automatic institutionalisation of Down Syndrome children has been banished to the past where it belongs. However, getting the medical profession to skip MMR is a fight that will almost certainly land you in court if you don't have a knowledgeable and sympathetic paediatrician who keeps up with the Royal College of Surgeons research on the subject. "But you vaccinated your other kids!", was the frustrated cry. "Yes, but the actual disease process has less impact on this chap than the vaccine does, here's the research, have a read."

"You people read something on the Internet and think you're experts."

"No this is a peer reviewed series of studies over 20 years by a bunch of people publishing in a journal you subscribe to."

"Whatever, thicky parent, you're an idiot, we'll see what the paediatrician says."

"Oh yes, about that, here's a letter from the paediatrician supporting our decision."

"We'll refer it to our legal people and see what they have to say," says the Doc.

Down Syndrome, and the sufferers of the myriad of other chromosomal disorders aren't strictly "human" in the sense that their DNA has been messed with and no one in the medical or legal profession gives a shit that you cannot guarantee how a human with its DNA intact will respond to a vaccination let alone how a near-human will respond. It is CERTAIN that the outcome for someone with Down Syndrome or William Syndrome for instance has not been tested AT ALL for someone suffering from a chromosomal trisomy disorder.

Some of you people toss statistics around like the people affected don't matter. You might see 1 in 100,000 affected as a quoted stat, but what you don't see are the communities where 1 in 5 die from vaccinations that some of us take for granted, the kids who were perfect before they had their first vaccinations. Born after 1960? That "special" kid at school you used to pick on? The one not quite bad enough to ride the IHC bus, but markedly different from his peers? Most likely a vaccination reaction.

Menningichocal B virus vaccine. It didn't work. It never worked. It wrecked lives and was documented as doing so and we still pushed ahead with it. 1 year later the vaccine was ineffective against Mens B. The current HPV vaccination programme for girls? It wears off in 3-4 years, before most girls are sexually active. Chicken Pox vaccine doesn't work. There's a bunch of medical technologies out there that are utter farce and not tested effectively and not re-engineered often enough to keep up with the normal subtle changes all viruses undergo and yet we're just supposed to submit our kids as guinea pigs. I'm not suggesting for a moment that all vaccination is a bad thing, just that there needs to be less dogma in its application and a great deal more education and certainly some leeway for those who will be guaranteed an adverse reaction to a vaccine.

[oldrider]

Good post Jim, unfortunately people only become aware of the negative side of programs like the vaccination industry because of association with victim's or casualties of the program!

Once your attention has been roused you find that the casualties are far more extensive than you thought and that the villains are being promoted, protected and projected by the popular media sources of the day!

Once you are able to appreciate the whole spectrum of the subject you become aware of the truth and any comment or question of the validity of the practice gets denounced as a mad "conspiracy theory"!

I must admit that negative control groups (such as those in control of the origins of money) really know their stuff and cover their arse in the most simplistic but effective (For Milts: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com...s-effect.aspx) manner!

[mashman]

Doesn't look like we've moved on too much since Thalidomide

[Daffyd]

One of the things that get me is when you walk into a doctor's surgery and find nearly everything on his desk has been labelled, (read-given), by a major drug company. BP monitors, pens, pads, desk lights, sometimes even computers and/or computer monitors.

www.hsionline.com (Health Science Institute, Baltimore) is a very interesting site.

[James Deuce]

One of the things that get me is when you walk into a doctor's surgery and find nearly everything on his desk has been labelled, (read-given), by a major drug company. BP monitors, pens, pads, desk lights, sometimes even computers and/or computer monitors.

www.hsionline.com (Health Science Institute, Baltimore) is a very interesting site.

Don't forget mistress/toy-boy, car, boat, bach, yearly holidays and weekly lunch meetings.