Child abuse at its worst in good ole NZ

[rainman]

Your opening self description explains your knee jerk reaction to my post!

I'm really not an ideologue. Which you can probably figure out from the first point in my comment on this thread.

My reaction was a tad extreme though - stupid bigot was a bit uncalled for, sorry. But really, get over it already, the S59 repeal isn't the end of the world and the cause of all things evil and terrible... and it's also clearly not the issue here owing to the duration of the abuse.

Blaming everything you don't like on MMP and Sue Bradford is just a bit silly.

Apart from all that, compliments of the season.

Yep, you too... Looking forward to a bit of time off. Might even do some work on the bike.

[Woodman]

Your opening self description explains your knee jerk reaction to my post!

The money, energy and time wasted* on that unnecessary bill could have been used to police and weed out these true abuse cases and rectify them!

All that was/is missing was/is the will to use the law and do something about it but that has been done to death!

*The money IMHO was wasted because the laws of the day were sufficient to handle cases of assault and abuse such as this one!

It's like the Labour (lefty) alliances stupid dangerous dog law, nothing has changed dangerous dogs abound and every now and then some one gets bitten or mauled!

Apart from all that, compliments of the season.

Not to mention the war on P. Home detention for a woman convicted of dealing huge amounts of the stuff. The lawyers and judges and social workers are running this country.

[JimO]

from another site i frequent.........Re: CYPS give child back to monsters to be tortured
by Ganja » December 18th, 2010, 5:39 pm

I know the mothers sister very well and have been trying with her and the grandmother to get cyfs to step in.

I myself used to look after the 10 year old boy, he had been placed with his aunty and was doing well for 3 years with her. The wee girl was removed at birth and put into foster care, it came out that the foster parents were abusing her so the Aunty tried to get her placed into her care, cyfs knew better and put her back with the parents, they also took the boy who was 7 at the time and gave him back as he was "doing so well now"
We tried for months and months to get something done, the womans sister would go and remove the kids, to have them taken back to the parents as "they deserved a second chance"
Nana tried to get them into her care, but the father is an abusive man and took to them.
They were finally removed when the sisters and the nana went there and demanded the children, father got up and smacked the 15 year old cousin in the face and hit one of the aunties. Police were called by two people, I was one, as the young girl who was hit text me and said Help.

These people should have been never allowed to leave the hospital with a baby, every time she had one removed she had another. She is the scum of the earth, and has always been.
Her family have tried everything to get those kids taken, the police have been involved before, many times, however this time many people had decided if cyfs wont step in then we will.

The fault here lies with the Scum who say they are parents, but popped out 5 kids to abuse, the police for not acting on reports sooner and the main one is cyfs. I put in a long report on what I saw, The social worker asked me my views on the boy i looked after when aunty had him and promised he would never be put back in their care, then 6 months later did so.

The abuse reported is a tiny amount of the real picture and when I heard the other day how bad it is, I cried. I tried with the Aunty for 2 years to get these kids out, I even offered to be her back up caregiver so she could still work and take them all. But cyfs knew better than we did. They said she was doing well. The Aunty wasn't allowed to visit for a year as they trespassed her for trying to help the kids.
When the full story comes out, it will shock you even more.
Mother M. is part Maori Father S. is samoan. They should be locked up and not left out to be free. I dont think the little girl will ever be right again, in fact if some of what I know comes out, and the advise a cyfs social worker told her how to deal with some of the abuse, I guarantee you will throw up.

[firefighter]

I hope the stories of "Prison Justice" for people that hurt kids hold some truth in every instance.

Fixed that up for ya.

[Ocean1]

Blaming everything you don't like on MMP and Sue Bradford is right on the money.

Hideous syntax error, there...

Fixed.

[Paul in NZ]

Oh god.... This gets worse eh?

Look - KB is a community of sorts, surely we can do something? Anything? Fuck - can I set up a bank acct or something, send toys?

[Genestho]

Oh god.... This gets worse eh?

Look - KB is a community of sorts, surely we can do something? Anything? Fuck - can I set up a bank acct or something, send toys?

Worse? It frequently does and even then the public are not always privy to it all.

Reporter - Elizabeth Binning from the Herald, has suggested contacting Henderson police station to find out how to send things, they're the investigating police, but maybe a representative should call from KB, rather than a few hundred randoms so we don't get in the way or hold them up.

Be nice to show this wee babe that despite what's happened, the world's not always an evil place and people do care. It would be wise to make sure whatever's passed on, goes exactly to where it should.

[rwh]

there must be 2 New Zealands, the one where i live i dont know anybody on a benefit, i own 2 houses one my 85 yo mother in law lives in rent free, i own 6 cars/4x4s, a 50k boat, a 20k caravan, 2 motorbikes, i come from a large family mum/dad and 6 kids, i had a poor education, left school in 1975 aged 15 and got a apprenticeship, my wife left school at 16 and worked in a warehouse, we were married at 20 and moved into our first house , started working for myself aged 26, never had a hand out from anyone, have 3 boys that have excelled at school, excelled at sport representing Otago in several sports, one boy representing NZ in Ireland, 2 of them going to uni next year. Obviously in the other NZ you blame the past 200 years for your failure, you beat your kids to death, you dont work your parents didnt work your children wont work, the state carrys you, what is the difference between my NZ and the other one...fucked if i know??

Unfortunately I think it's unrealistic to judge everyone by your standards. Sure there will always be exceptionally talented (and/or ruthless, in some cases) people who can make a wonderful life out of not much, but they're a very small minority. Most of us will stay within the same sort of income level and social group in which we were brought up. A few unfortunates will slide down as well.

Richard

[Ladydragon]

I think it just absoloutly horrible how the mother and father have treated their daughter I have a neice and nephew who are adopted and if I must say myself very special.

My brother and sister in law know people that have been wanting to adopt a child/baby for years and it hasn't happened yet for them.When there friends read something like this artical you could amagine what they think.If you are able to have a child they should treat them so good they are very precsise.

Not do what those parent did.

[Katman]

Oh god.... This gets worse eh?

Look - KB is a community of sorts, surely we can do something? Anything? Fuck - can I set up a bank acct or something, send toys?

Paul, take a step back and draw a few deep breaths.

This case of child abuse won't be the last and I guarantee there are plenty of others happening right at this very moment that you might never get to hear about.

People all too often end up blowing their brains out when they get too emotionally involved in a quagmire that rhyme nor reason can ever be fashioned from.

[JimO]

Unfortunately I think it's unrealistic to judge everyone by your standards. Sure there will always be exceptionally talented (and/or ruthless, in some cases) people who can make a wonderful life out of not much, but they're a very small minority. Most of us will stay within the same sort of income level and social group in which we were brought up. A few unfortunates will slide down as well.

Richard

im neither exceptionally talented or ruthless,. just worked hard, set goals etc the underclass that beats their kids etc obviously cant be helped by chucking money at them because we have proof that that doesnt work perhaps they should be eradicated

[scumdog]

im neither exceptionally talented or ruthless,. just worked hard, set goals etc the underclass that beats their kids etc obviously cant be helped by chucking money at them because we have proof that that doesnt work perhaps they should be eradicated

A bit like you JimO, started with nothing, got no free Gov't hand-outs (or any handouts).

Worked long hours, saved, spent, saved, spent, got in hock to a bank, spent, saved..yadda-yadd-yada.

No talent, not ruthless..

[reggie1198]

Have to agree that its nothing new (not saying it in a smart way either). Welcome to New Zealands shame. Read the article earlier this morning and just couldn't believe it. Rather than wasting tax payers money on benefits or having them kept nice and safe in jail how about the money getting used for 2 bullets, and the rest to go toward a counselor for both children involved. Bastards.

I'll donate the bullets, three each should do (that's two gut shots each, then one in the head a couple of days later).

[Reckless]

from another site i frequent.........Re: CYPS give child back to monsters to be tortured
by Ganja » December 18th, 2010, 5:39 pm

I know the mothers sister very well and have been trying with her and the grandmother to get cyfs to step in. ................

I dont think the little girl will ever be right again

Thats really sad poor kid!

Thanks for the update/additional info Jimo.

To make this case seem not so bad by stating there are other cases just as bad is no excuse in my mind. In this thread we are talking about this case and its circumstances. Because its not alone changes nothing in my mind it just makes it worse!
If what jimo posted is accurate I wonder if CYFS can ever be charged with child abuse? But there is probably a lot more involved than we can speculate on so I won't make any wild statements. Its just a very sad state of affairs by the parents and the system etc.

[Paul in NZ]

Paul, take a step back and draw a few deep breaths..

Oh dont stress, I'm not going to top myself over this but the point is that decent people have to stand up and say that this isnt right in someway without resorting to lynch mobs, tempting as that is.

I'm just buggered if I know how...