Is the age of irresponsibility now completely upon us?

[puddytat]

Its quite common worldwide for the well educated people of society who are not religiously afflicted,after looking at the state of the planet & its enviroment, who choose not to have children due to approaching problems of climate ,pollution & population.(And the problem of careers)
Thus its the uneducated,underfed,& illbred who are winning in the breeding stakes.And in this country atleast, they have a welfare system to help them to go forth & prosper & propigate.
If it was up to me....Id help you with youre first 2 Kids, then after that if you want more & want state assistance,then they are removed to a suitable enviroment which could include adoption.
Or you are sterilised at state expense.The choice is thiers.

[MSTRS:Me]

... help you with your first 2 Kids...

Well, aren't you nice!
I wouldn't help with any. That is to say, if you are on any form of welfare, then no breeding. Full stop.
Different if a self-supporting couple with children split up and the daily carer needs DPB.
But get pregnant while on it = no extra $.

[firefighter]

Well, aren't you nice!
I wouldn't help with any. That is to say, if you are on any form of welfare, then no breeding. Full stop.
Different if a self-supporting couple with children split up and the daily carer needs DPB.
But get pregnant while on it = no extra $.

Amen, now how do we rush this through legislation?

[candor]

but maybe it has something to do with a lack of moral fibre in our society to actually force a change with our politicians & lawmakers who often back both sides & often show a lack of moral integrity and fortitude themselves.

It's not that, they have a conflict of interest, lawyers feed off the dysfunction, and set the laws by becoming MPs in order to create more dysfunction so that up and coming ones can feed off it. See post 7 by Smokeu, which notes the disparity betwen the heavy boy racer penalties and those meted out to child torturers and the ilk.

And in the US lawyers cum MPs (high rent psychopaths) have taken this conflict to the extreme; creating solely for their interests the perfect system for creaming it, where there is no likelihood of penalties relating to the crime or to benchmarks for similar offenders doing similar crimes.
It would just be too cumbersome to have a simple comprehensible system... as this would reduce scope for charging legal fees ongoing, and scope for continuous relegislating of a built to be silly system so it can be constantly tweaked.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1412888
It pays to ask who profits most from stupidity cultivated (;

[FROSTY:Me]

I've got a solution for most of New Zealands woe's. Its so simple
OK EVERYONE stand up and repeat after me

I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.

Keep saying it often enough so you and those around you accept it as fact.


I know all the "yea buts" but it really does break down to this.
If we all accept personal responsibility eventually the nanny state cotton wool wrapping may actually stop

[DarkLord]

I've got a solution for most of New Zealands woe's. Its so simple
OK EVERYONE stand up and repeat after me

I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.

Keep saying it often enough so you and those around you accept it as fact.


I know all the "yea buts" but it really does break down to this.
If we all accept personal responsibility eventuually the nanny state cotton wool wrapping may actually stop

Hear hear!

[puddytat]

Amen, now how do we rush this through legislation?

It'd take a Revolution to rush anything of importance for "us", to get past "them".....they only rush something thru when its for "thier" benefit & usually late at night. For example the law changes brought in after the Canterbury quake
Although I often disagree with Smokeu, 'twas his post that prompted mine.( the bit about penalty's for Boy racers & kiddee fiddlers)

[scissorhands]

I've got a solution for most of New Zealands woe's. Its so simple
OK EVERYONE stand up and repeat after me

I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.

Keep saying it often enough so you and those around you accept it as fact.


I know all the "yea buts" but it really does break down to this.
If we all accept personal responsibility eventually the nanny state cotton wool wrapping may actually stop

But..... my Dad did beat me... I grew up in a bad neighbourhood... I went to a poor school... TV reinforces me toward a less than wholesome existence....

If a dog bites someone, its the owners responsibility, if I bite someone, am I the only one responsible? Fuck, talk about a shit sandwich.

Surely the King is responsible for his subjects? oh wait thats Shonky aint it?

[FROSTY:Me]

But..... my Dad did beat me... I grew up in a bad neighbourhood... I went to a poor school... TV reinforces me toward a less than wholesome existence....

If a dog bites someone, its the owners responsibility, if I bite someone, am I the only one responsible? Fuck, talk about a shit sandwich.

Surely the King is responsible for his subjects? oh wait thats Shonky aint it?

Forget the past--gwan I dare ya--stand up and say it-say it so often you believe it

[mashman]

A length of rope doesn't cost fuck all and there is plenty of trees with high branches around the place.
Hell I'd even tie the knot

To a certain extent i don't have a problem with that, but you've gotta be damn sure of guilt before you put the head in the noose. But there are plenty of candidates that "derserve" that sort of justice.

"working for families" should have been titled "another hundy for the pokies" surely,that was yet another nail in an already firmly sealed coffin,even more laughable is not content with fucking up a country the instigator has moved on to inflict an opinion on the rest of the worldWe used to be famous for great deeds with no 8 wire nowdays more so for a she thing with a deep voice bad teeth and a vision of the world similar to that of someone on speed at woodstock.

Working for families, wonder how often the name for that benefit has been changed? Tis all they do. Tweak the "organisational" structure and give it a new name, et voila, basically the same policy, paying the same people to stay alive. I don't necessarily have a problem with the idea, but the social toll is HUGE and will never get any smaller where you can profit from having kids. Remove money from the system (broken record, heh) and there's no reason for them to have kids. Hell, they may even become a productive member of society... potentially

A positive step would be to reintroduce compulsory military training and do so with the gloves off.

... who knows, it has merit and would give "kids" something to do... but the current "system" isn't working, pretty much everything is on the rise, and i don't just mean financially...

We get what we deserve because there are too many in NZ infirm of purpose or just dont care.

nah, we get what we accept, and we deserve much better... shame govts are as cheap as the everyday person

[avgas]

I think a lack of spirituality is a major problem.

Most spiritual people I know, whether I agree with their concept and god name whatever, are some of the nicest people I know.

Sure no ones perfect, but everyone I have known from Christians to Pagans to Hari Krishna's, have a belief in a weighted heart or light filled existence, which dictates how they respond in the world.

Without a spiritual life, we may be no better than beasts.

Touched kiddies on Monday,
Beat my wife Tuesday,
Beat the kids on Wednesday,
Stole on Thursday,
Beat the shit out of someone at the Pub on Friday,
Raped the wife on Sat,
All is forgiven on Sun.

This story is too close to the truth in NZ.

While I get what your trying to say - There are arseholes in every walk of life.
Spirituality only works if Karma is a foundation.

[avgas]

We get what we deserve because there are too many in NZ infirm of purpose or just dont care. A positive step would be to reintroduce compulsory military training and do so with the gloves off.

I am sorry but you are at step 3,

Step 1 would be to have and "ARMED" forces. Then you would have heaps more people getting into it. I tore up my papers when the Scorpions were cut. No doubt many future pilots did the same when the strike wing went down the toilet.
Oh I love the fact that Pearl Harbor was on TV as the entire NZ navy sat on the North Shore a few nights back.