The next Wikileaks IT attack on legitimate businesses coming soon

[trustme]

The day your bank decides they should have some say in who you can give your money to is the day you should find a new bank, in my opinion.

The bank has no say or control over who you give your money to. They simply say they won't do transactions with Wikileaks.
I'm in business & there are plenty of organisations I refuse to deal with & work for. It is called freedom of choice, something the Wikiwanks seem to believe applies only to them

[marty]

Thanks Oakie, was completely unaware of this. I'm not sure how a lowly shop assistant can attack Visa etc unless they somehow do a DNS by flooding the servers with requests.

Morally? Hmm... Its a breach of employment and pretty treacherous to the person who pays your wages. Are Visa etc even going to notice? If they do (because of the problems) are they really going to think twice in future? My guess is Not.

maybe he does something else in his 16 hours when he's not a lowly shop assistant? Maybe he's Batman!

[Oakie]

maybe he does something else in his 16 hours when he's not a lowly shop assistant? Maybe he's Batman!

Him and 80,000 other people of a similar mind-set he claimed.

[SPman]

As always, such campaigns attract the same old slimy urban terrorists. Whether the are conducting e-attacks, or throwing rubbish bins through shop windows, they have no interest in who they are actually attacking or who is actually suffering the consequences.

Another random statement with no thought involved!

[Buyasta]

The bank has no say or control over who you give your money to. They simply say they won't do transactions with Wikileaks.
I'm in business & there are plenty of organisations I refuse to deal with & work for. It is called freedom of choice, something the Wikiwanks seem to believe applies only to them

So you wouldn't have a problem if your bank decided they don't like your local bike shop, and began refusing any eftpos transactions you tried to make there? Or if they took it a step further and did what Bank of America is doing and declined any transaction they believed might end up going to that bike shop, whether you were trying to use a credit card company, or paypal, or whatever method?

I agree that businesses do have the right to choose who they do business with, but that's a whole different situation - what Mastercard and Visa are doing is refusing to do business with Wikileaks, by preventing Wikileaks from using their payment gateways to receive money. What Bank of America is doing is telling you who you can and cannot do business with, and then denying you access to your own money if they believe you will give it to Wikileaks.

Just as you and I should not and do not have the right to tell a business or bank who they can or cannot do business with, a bank or business should not have the right to tell an individual who they can or cannot do business with, and then withhold their own money from them if they choose to anyway.

You say that the bank has no say or control over who you give your money to... the problem is that that is exactly what they are trying to do.

[BMWST?]

So you wouldn't have a problem if your bank decided they don't like your local bike shop, and began refusing any eftpos transactions you tried to make there? Or if they took it a step further and did what Bank of America is doing and declined any transaction they believed might end up going to that bike shop, whether you were trying to use a credit card company, or paypal, or whatever method?

I agree that businesses do have the right to choose who they do business with, but that's a whole different situation - what Mastercard and Visa are doing is refusing to do business with Wikileaks, by preventing Wikileaks from using their payment gateways to receive money. What Bank of America is doing is telling you who you can and cannot do business with, and then denying you access to your own money if they believe you will give it to Wikileaks.

Just as you and I should not and do not have the right to tell a business or bank who they can or cannot do business with, a bank or business should not have the right to tell an individual who they can or cannot do business with, and then withhold their own money from them if they choose to anyway.

You say that the bank has no say or control over who you give your money to... the problem is that that is exactly what they are trying to do.

and your response is to tell the bank you do not agree withtheir actions and take your money elsewhere.Not attack their sververs and potentially delay processes of people who have nothing to do with wikileaks.
And is the stuff wiki leaks is leaking stuff we didnt already know?

[trustme]

and your response is to tell the bank you do not agree withtheir actions and take your money elsewhere.Not attack their sververs and potentially delay processes of people who have nothing to do with wikileaks.
And is the stuff wiki leaks is leaking stuff we didnt already know?

Exactly , Wikiwanks is all about freedom, they have absolutely no hesitation in attacking the freedom of others who may have a differing opinion . Bunch of naive hypocrites IMHO.

[Virago]

Another random statement with no thought involved!

Another useful contribution...

Exactly , Wikiwanks is all about freedom, they have absolutely no hesitation in attacking the freedom of others who may have a differing opinion . Bunch of naive hypocrites IMHO.

Bingo. Such random attacks on society's infrastructure is quite simply terrorism.

[puddytat]

I think there'll be more shopkeepers worried about the low Xmas period spend of Joe Public due to them tightening thier belts than the Banks being fucked with....Ive seen more shopkeepers terrified by the downturn than anything connected to Wikileaks.
In the Tourism industry we've yet to have had any problems with Visa etc.

[trustme]

I think there'll be more shopkeepers worried about the low Xmas period spend of Joe Public due to them tightening thier belts than the Banks being fucked with....Ive seen more shopkeepers terrified by the downturn than anything connected to Wikileaks.
In the Tourism industry we've yet to have had any problems with Visa etc.

Ultimately Wikiwanks is water cooler tittle tattle, about as world shattering as Y2K.

[mashman]

Exactly , Wikiwanks is all about freedom, they have absolutely no hesitation in attacking the freedom of others who may have a differing opinion . Bunch of naive hypocrites IMHO.

Wikileaks probably learned that trick from watching governments evolve. Global warming for instance. Some would have us believe that it's for own good.

I hope there's more to come... who knows.

[mashman]

Bingo. Such random attacks on society's infrastructure is quite simply terrorism.

Couldn't you just walk to your local branch?

[Buyasta]

and your response is to tell the bank you do not agree withtheir actions and take your money elsewhere.Not attack their sververs and potentially delay processes of people who have nothing to do with wikileaks.
And is the stuff wiki leaks is leaking stuff we didnt already know?

I wasn't in any way defending the actions of Anonymous, they're a bunch of childish morons with a mob mentality who are hurting the cause they profess to be fighting for.

And yes, much of the stuff that Wikileaks is leaking is stuff the public didn't know, and if they suspected, had no proof of.

For example, the US has ordered diplomats to spy on top UN officials, collecting information including DNA, fingerprints, iris scans, credit card numbers, passwords, work schedules, frequent flier account numbers, personal encryption keys, etc.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...bles-spying-un

Or that a US contractor in Afghanistan, and funded by US taxpayer money engaged in child prostitution and child sex slavery.
http://humantrafficking.change.org/b...in_afghanistan

Or that Pfizer used PI's to find information they could use to blackmail the Nigerian attorney general to avoid paying out for killing children with an experimental Meningitis vaccine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...pfizer-nigeria

Or if you're interested in closer to home:
John Key promised China neither he nor any of his ministers would meet with the Dalai Lama, then the Foreign Affairs minister lied to Parliament about the policy. This also went against a pre-election promise Key had made to meet with the Dalai Lama.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10695237

Exactly , Wikiwanks is all about freedom, they have absolutely no hesitation in attacking the freedom of others who may have a differing opinion . Bunch of naive hypocrites IMHO.

Again, Wikileaks and Anonymous are not the same people... If a few people, who weren't even motorcyclists, decided that the ACC rises were unfair, and decided to attack MP's who'd supported the rise, do you think it would be fair for people to blame motorcyclists for it, completely ignoring those who actually crossed a line?
You may or may not agree with what Wikileaks is doing, but judging them by the actions of an entirely unaffiliated group of childish morons who chose to lash out at anyone who thinks differently from themselves is ridiculous.

[scissorhands]

Any reasonable person would lash out unfairly if treated unfairly for trying to tell the public the truth.

I'm surprised no one has been found dead in their bed or driven into a concrete structure at high speed, Diana

[trustme]

Any reasonable person would lash out unfairly if treated unfairly for trying to tell the public the truth.

I'm surprised no one has been found dead in their bed or driven into a concrete structure at high speed, Diana

That depends entirely on how you obtained that truth

If you have sneeked in through the back door & deal in gossip you have to take what comes. Did the drunk driver kill D or the low life papparazzi & where does Asange fit in the cess pool of life.

' Truth , You can't handle the truth '.