Is John a spineless pussy or what?

[Mully]

So he doesn't want to be a sponge on the taxpayer for (say) three years in Opposition and that's throwing his toys?

$10 says that if he said he would stay on, the knives would be out for him doing nothing and drawing Opposition perks (charitable salary donation not withstanding; flights, chauffered cars, etc)

It's almost refreshing to have someone say "If the populace doesn't want me, I'll go" - unlike all the others who desperately cling to whatever shread of "power" they have left come hell or high water. *cough* Phil Goff, Chris Carter, etc *cough*

God knows if I had $50 million dollars, I wouldn't be sticking around NZ running for office - I'd be long gone.

But then when has logic ever got in the way of a good KB rant?

[trustme]

He is not a career politician. He's there because he thinks he can make a difference. In opposition he has no control & can't make a difference . Why would he stay & become irrelevant. Most PMs on being booted out bugger off , he's up front enough to admit it, nowt wrong with that

[onearmedbandit]

So he doesn't want to be a sponge on the taxpayer for (say) three years in Opposition and that's throwing his toys?

$10 says .................be long gone.

But then when has logic ever got in the way of a good KB rant?

I'm with him.

[oldrider]

He's only a front man and as far as that goes who is there that is better suited to front for us?

I think he is very good at that job but we don't actually vote him in do we!

MMP is a lucky dip government decided among the politicians that the electorate "think" that they voted for!

MMP governments are only loyal to those that they form allegiances with and ultimately they decide what is best for the country by doing whatever is best for them!

Vote STV and get some accountability back to the electorate (you and me) for a change!

[trustme]

He's only a front man and as far as that goes who is there that is better suited to front for us?

I think he is very good at that job but we don't actually vote him in do we!

MMP is a lucky dip government decided among the politicians that the electorate "think" that they voted for!

MMP governments are only loyal to those that they form allegiances with and ultimately they decide what is best for the country by doing whatever is best for them!

Vote STV and get some accountability back to the electorate (you and me) for a change!

AMEN

[Woodman]

well I like him. Seems to be a straight up sorta guy to me.
At least hes honest enough to say he won't stick around. Big up in my book.

[Number One]

Some good responses in there - thanks for the other take on things.

I agree don't suck up taxpayers wages on salary if you've been dumped from Parliament but I would think if you REALLY want to make a difference then you'd be in it for the long haul.

Thanks it's been fun - clearly pthers care far more about hating/loving him than I do.

Back to that hollowman thing - what was the story there? I wouldn't bother reading the book so you can spoil it for me all you like

[Mully]

Back to that hollowman thing - what was the story there? I wouldn't bother reading the book so you can spoil it for me all you like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hollow_Men_%28book%29

[Ocean1]

Back to that hollowman thing - what was the story there?

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.


Not that.

[tri boy]

So #1 starts a thread on a particular subject, gets bored/has had her fill of attention, then trys to shut it down
And some people think John Key is weak at following through

[Big Dave]

Don't vote! It only encourages them.

[Smifffy]

I don't think he & the nats have done too bad a job, considering what they had to work with.

I do feel let down by their lack of follow through on their "get tough on crime" election promises though. That and the ACC thing.

Those two issues are likely to cost them my vote at the next election.

[Number One]

So #1 starts a thread on a particular subject, gets bored/has had her fill of attention, then trys to shut it down
And some people think John Key is weak at following through

You bored tonight and looking for a rumble?

FWIW I didn't try to shut the thread down - I said 'thankyou for your comments and have been off feeding kids and reading up on some of this stuff.

But actually second thoughts as I type this I am bored but....only with some people on KB

Have a nice evening.

[tri boy]

You bored tonight and looking for a rumble?

Kanny's in Towrunga with friends so, "when the cats away......."

[rwh]

MMP is a lucky dip government decided among the politicians that the electorate "think" that they voted for!

I think I voted for the politicians near the top of the list of the party I voted for. They got in. Seems fair, apart from the 5% threshold/bring your mates system that means Act has MPs and NZFirst doesn't despite the vote being decidedly the reverse of that.

MMP governments are only loyal to those that they form allegiances with and ultimately they decide what is best for the country by doing whatever is best for them!

That, if I understand you correctly (and I probably don't), I think is probably more true of the larger older parties that have diehard traditional supporters regardless of what they do.

Vote STV and get some accountability back to the electorate (you and me) for a change!

STV for parties that don't meet the 5% threshold would make a lot of sense, I think - ie if I vote 1)Green, 2)Labour then at least my vote for 'leftish' counts for something even if the Greens don't make it past 5%. As it is, Green has hovered around that mark, so people may prefer to 'safely' vote Labour instead of what they really want.

Richard