PC brigade already on the offensive at police chases

[slowpoke]

The thing with PD/Community work etc is that it becomes a gathering of likeminded fuck heads come Saturday morning,ok they waste a Saturday but hey at least they garnish some "im a bad boy" stigma out of it.To many of these wannabies a trip to the big house would be better than the smack in the face they should have got from there old man back whenever,Scare the shit out of someone = i wont do that again/i dont want to be a wannabie= in many (not all) cases problem solved lets get on with life.As for the avatar mate,will set about changing it for ya regardless of the fact that ive been having bread and dripping sammies since buying em

Yep, totally agree regarding PD/Community work. The punishments are already available for drink driving, "normal" reckless driving, even if they aren't used. What I'm concerned with is the strategy for the young fucks out pinching cars with their mates just for the hell of it, where taunting/playing with the cops is all part of the thrill/game.

In those cases I reckon something a bit more left field might be more effective, because as you say, the deterrent at the moment isn't really there. I'm just not quite sure what it is yet........

Thanks for changing the avatar....BUT YOU"RE NOT HELPING ME!

[StoneY]

I recall not too many years ago, Police Pursuits (lol finally spelt it right) were never a common occurance back in the 90's
Not that I recall anyhow

Once it became known they were being instructed to 'end dangerous pursuits' we started hearing about them, exact timestamp.........fucked if I know

Is it just that we now have affordable vehicles that can hit the 'end pursuit speed' so much easier?
Is it a growing disrespect for society, such as we are seeing in schools since the cane was abolished?

I dont have an answer, but I do believe the fallout from NOT giving up the chase is less than the cost of giving up the chase too easy

That cost is obviously a rise in runners, hence a rise in crashes caused by runners, hence an escalation in the carnage.....caused by the morons that think 'this cop HAS to stop at xxx speed, muwahahahahaha I'm OFF!!!!'

Anyone saying the Police CAUSED the runner to kill the innocents is just plain fecking stupid and has the logic of an earth worm, and can they PLEASE stop wasting our oxygen supply

I also apply this theory to Cops that do silly u-turns in dangerous locations to enter a pursuit as well.....sorry but thats the one bug I have with Police pursuits, the u-turn.

Thread thrashed, opions given, conspiricay central shot down yet again...carry on nothing left to see here

[Pascal]

Cause I don't think of it as statistics but as people and families (including the cops), yeah the runners are dickheads but who hasn't been at some stage? The numbers aren't counting the traumatised relies and friends. The runners shouldn't be countered out just cause they aren't "innocent", there isn't a death penalty for failure to stop. What interests me is why are the idoits running? where did the change in attitude come from? Was it when the police decided ticketing people attending a car show in Chch was a good way to make friends and influence people? (seems to be when things with the "boy racers" down there went sour.

The runners are counted out because they are not innocent. In the discussion thus far it has focussed on reducing the risk to the general public, so the 22 people spread over 5 years that were injured or killed. (4 were killed, I believe)

I think Candor is focussing on the wrong thing. The police pursuit policy is clearly already providing a very, very low level of risk to the general public. The media has created a perception that it is bad, simply by reporting on the times it went wrong. If they reported on all the pursuits I suspect most of NZ would just yawn at the odd crash where a fleeing driver has topped him/herself.

The focus should be on having those who run from the police not run. You're not going to reduce the statistics much by changing when police chase people. You will however change them by changing the attitude of those idiots that have already decided to disobey the law.

[oneofsix]

The focus should be on having those who run from the police not run. You're not going to reduce the statistics much by changing when police chase people. You will however change them by changing the attitude of those idiots that have already decided to disobey the law.

Agreed. Suspect education rather than legislation is the way to do it, if the risk of death isn't punishment enough then nothing else will be, IMHO.

[Genestho]

Agreed. Suspect education rather than legislation is the way to do it, if the risk of death isn't punishment enough then nothing else will be, IMHO.

IMO - Probably a little of both as always, what deters one doesn't deter all, with a view towards efficiency which I'm sure will come, if it's not on the table already.

But, as with all youth issues (in this instance) throughout time (we were all teens once right?), you could say alot of actions could be spontaneous - not alot of forward thinking, the thrill of the chase, adrenalin, showing off to peers etc.

The ones that are thinking ahead when ie, lifting a vehicle and spotted, are probably hedging their bets that if they drive at speed, erratically - the pursuit would be called off, what have they got to lose.

As you say, if the ultimate consequence is death, and people are willing to take the risk regardless, then not much else can be expected to be effective as a deterrent.

Whatever the reasons, to gain evidence I expect the Police to do their job, most need to be caught in the act before evidence is tampered with.

Police are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[red mermaid]

I recall not too many years ago, Police Pursuits (lol finally spelt it right) were never a common occurance back in the 90's
Not that I recall anyho

They were common just no one had put in a system to record them, and the world wasn't so PC.

[StoneY]

There ya go folks they CAN win now and then and no one killed no one innocent hurt, this is the way it SHOULD be

Get behind our Police and support a campaign to never end a chase untill the BAD guys are stopped

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...unaway-vehicle

[Spearfish]

Perhaps the punishment for the "run for cred types" shouldn't be such a secret.
Doing community service or PD in a very public place with a bright pink set of overalls with the words pertaining to "I'm an anti-social fucktard who has no inhibitions about killing people to impress my temporary friends" on the back.


Seriously though it worked for the tagfags that were scribbling shyt in our area, the public ripped the shyt out of them, I think It was stopped though.....no guesses why.

[Pixie]

The police pursuit policy is clearly already providing a very, very low level of risk to the general public. The media has created a perception that it is bad, simply by reporting on the times it went wrong. If they reported on all the pursuits I suspect most of NZ would just yawn at the odd crash where a fleeing driver has topped him/herself.

I will use this as a defence next time I get a speeding ticket....I'll just replace all references to "pursuit" and "police" with "exceeding the speed limit"

[blackdog]

interesting info here regarding the results of implementing jail sentences for runners

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/speeders-f...115-19rv3.html

[scumdog]

interesting info here regarding the results of implementing jail sentences for runners

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/speeders-f...115-19rv3.html

Same old - same old.

NOBODY gets the 'maximum' when it comes to driving - until they've repeated the offence about ten times.

The maximum should be minimum mandatory IMHO.

[blackdog]

Same old - same old.

NOBODY gets the 'maximum' when it comes to driving - until they've repeated the offence about ten times.

The maximum should be minimum mandatory IMHO.

no argument here

i do not want this to become a regular occurrence

[pritch]

Odd how all these guys agree, & we concur.

Not really. The blind leading the blind.

[Kirill357]

From my perspective the government is there to own, maintain and manage the infrastructure required for the country such as roading, railroads and so forth. They are there to act as a representative of New Zealand on the international stage and to manage the external defense force and internal security force of the country as required.

Beyond that I do not believe a government should have a role in the lives of it's people.



My personal feeling is that it is the responsibility of the individual, their household, their family units, etc.

If you have placed all your life savings into one finance company (Eggs in one basket) and it folds, it is not my responsiblity or the governments' responsibility to help you out.

If you have an accident and you do not have medical insurance / regular insurance, it is not my responsiblity or that of the rest of society to fund and care for you.

Laid off? That is one of the risks of employment. You can cover yourself by having income protection insurance to cover the time between you lose your job and when you find another one. Or create another one for yourself.

Now that seems harsh, as if I do not care about the plight of the people you mentioned in the example. I do, but I do not believe it is the role of the government to help everybody. That role can be better fulfilled by society. I would much rather donate the money the government takes off me by force to organisations that I know will use it efficiently and effectively to help people.



I think we're living in a consumerist, brand and image driven society where people want things to fit their image, but are unable to afford them. They end up in the 30 month interest free deals and sucking up a lifetime of debt.

Getting a bit off topic though.

As to the lady from the Candor Trust. Once police have abandoned any attempt at stopping vehicles driven erratically, speeding through suburban streets or even drunk drivers - what do you think will happen? And realistically - given your ideals they would have to abandon ANY traffic stop to elliminate the need for a pursuit.

Unless, of course, they're allowed to signal that somebody should stop, but if that person ignores them they should ignore them right back. And unfriend them on Facebook. And maybe send them a hate tweet.

Ahh, yes, finally, the voice of reason, precisely my view as well, government has way to much involvement into the peoples lives, its merely a tool for society not the other way around and I believe our leaders and people around are forgetting about it

[Skyryder]

Some on here would have the Police ignore this kind of behviour

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-taunts-police


Skyryder