Police chase survey

**Virago** · 9th January 2011, 16:43

I too have declined the opportunity to complete the survey.

It appears to be a very amateurish presentation, with rather odd and ambiguous questions, and a very clear bias in several areas.

If this is the kind of "research" that the Candor Trust is using to back its claims, their credibility will continue to decline.

**Virago** · 9th January 2011, 16:49

Originally Posted by candor

...we ask that ONLY those Police who've been in chases with bad outcomes OF SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH, or those family members of Police who've actually been physically hurt in chases participate...

It's good that you've removed all doubt as to your intentions by excluding certain people, eh?

**Scuba_Steve** · 9th January 2011, 16:50

I like the fact they emphasize some of the options for the last question with all CAPS

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**candor** · 9th January 2011, 16:53

It's not Candor's - it's SUPP's as in the original post - a facebook group that's also into the issue. Youth led mainly. Some lawyers and others in behind it too. But I fully support as the group is doing it's own thing and will be interesting to see what that is

**JimO** · 9th January 2011, 17:19

why call it a POLICE CHASE when in reality its a DRIVER FAILING TO STOP put the blame on the people who deserve it

**Virago** · 9th January 2011, 17:33

Originally Posted by candor

It's not Candor's - it's SUPP's as in the original post - a facebook group that's also into the issue. Youth led mainly. Some lawyers and others in behind it too. But I fully support as the group is doing it's own thing and will be interesting to see what that is

So who is SUPP...? Another faceless Facebook group with no public accountability, and an appallingly biased approach to seeking public "opinion"?

You're obviously involved with SUPP on this matter...

Originally Posted by candor

...We're presenting on NZs situation to U.S. Voices next conference, which presentation this local survey on causes and supported penalties may help to shape...

If you've got an organ to grind with like-minded people in the US, go right ahead - but DON"T claim to represent the collective opinions of New Zealanders with such a blatantly biased "survey".

**munster** · 9th January 2011, 18:09

Originally Posted by JimO

why call it a POLICE CHASE when in reality its a DRIVER FAILING TO STOP put the blame on the people who deserve it

Absolutely correct! I too have declined to complete this very biased survey. This would fail every peer review if formally presented for publication.

**SMOKEU** · 9th January 2011, 18:41

It's all nice and easy to say that the cops shouldn't be pursuing drivers, but if it was YOUR pride and joy that got stolen then I doubt many of you would say "Don't worry about catching the offender(s), let them get away with it".

**98tls** · 9th January 2011, 19:11

Originally Posted by candor

a facebook group that's also into the issue. Youth led mainly. Some lawyers

No offence fella but its like asking for submissions on the welfare system from the population of Porirua.

**awa355** · 9th January 2011, 19:17

Are you representitive of the candor trust? If so you might want to look up another thread on this site. Some stupid woman from this trust was on the news whineing about the police pursuits. She doesn't get much sympathy from anyone.

Gets none from me. I dont like cops nitpicking on motorcyclists but the brain dead that try to outrun the polce deserve what they get. As long as innocent people dont get hurt.

This Candor trust or Supps DO NOT represent me.

Edited. I see you are aware of the other thread.

**Oakie** · 9th January 2011, 19:34

Saw the end of a low key 'driver failed to stop' at my front gate last night. Guy blew the alco-sensor into the naughty number area and was taken away. Is there any part of me that thinks it would have been a good idea for the Police to abandon the pursuit and leave this guy to carry on driving around because they knew who he was and could pick him up at home? Not a single percent. Glad they nailed him. Made more entertaining viewing than what was on TV at the time too.

Oh, and for what it's worth, refering to the police as 'cops' repeatedly in the survey only shows how amateur the survey is.

**Virago** · 9th January 2011, 19:47

It's hardly surprising to note that the Facebook group SUPP was only created yesterday...

**98tls** · 9th January 2011, 19:52

Originally Posted by Virago

It's hardly surprising to note that the Facebook group SUPP was only created yesterday...

Have no fear, the combined minds of a thousand pimples will have already solved this and every other problem faced by mankind.

**slowpoke** · 9th January 2011, 20:29

I dunno the right or wrong of it, haven't even looked at the survey, but it seems there is an important misconception about these kids "failing to stop". They aren't stealing the car for parts, or sale, or their own use, they steal and hoon for simple fun, for the thrill, and being chased by the police just makes it the ultimate thrill. Chasing (and possibly apprehending) them is not a deterrent it's fuckin' great as far as they're concerned.

Interesting article here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10698281

I'm not sure what the answer is but I'll look at anything with an open mind. Looking at it from the perspective of an average, middle aged, middle class, relatively law abiding person with everything to lose in the event of police trouble is not the smartest way to tackle the problem. The kids involved are none of these things and have a completely different mindset, upbringing and culture.