Sounds a bit scary when you put it all together...

[mashman]

And no one mentioned the dead penguins being washed up on Nelson beaches.

I dread to think what else hasn't been reported

[Genestho]

Thanks, i did know where it was...

Ah, ok! Sometimes hard to spot sarcasm in teh interweb context!

could you not see my tongue in cheek when you read my post?

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that makes 2 of us... oh, now I have guilt...

plus 1 is 3!!

George Carlin puts it in perspective

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aF...eature=related

George rocks, love his work, although it is a little disturbing when fish and birds die enmass!

You want my tongue where????

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[EJK]

[Edbear]

Climate change is a reality, the argument is over how much Man has influenced it, and the answer may well be "very little." What is certain, though, is that Man is destroying the environment faster than it can recover and as a direct result of Mankind's own actions, he is heading for extinction. In short, we are killing ourselves and this is not the result of any so-called evolutionary or natural processes of nature.

Man's self-destruction is entirely avoidable and unnecessary, yet we have - according to the general scientific opinion - somewhere between 30 and 100 years. The 100 year guess is very optimistic and most are picking 30 - 50 years. That is not long when you think about the process. Well within our own lifetimes we are going to be affected by a dying ecosystem with cost and availablility of food and fuel being dramatically affected. We are already seeing the effects in third-world countries and even here which by world standards is a paradise of plenty, we are beginning to find ourselves affected by rising prices.

Man is the most adaptable life-form on the planet barring bacteria and we have the advantage of being able to manipulate our environment to suit ourselves to a large degree, so we could survive climate change, an Ice-age or a number of variables. We could fix the issues facing the Earth yet we seem hell-bent on destroying ourselves as fast as possible. Man's extinction is inevitable and far sooner than we may think or want. It is also inexcusable because he's doing it entirely to himself.

I'm not a Doomsdayer, I am simply telling what the scientists are saying after researching the evidence about the oceans, the forests, the ground we walk on, the atmosphere and the animal life. People don't want to think about these things, don't want to face them and are afraid to ask the questions...

[2wheeldrifter]

Ah, ok!


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Are saying I have verbal diarrhea.... oh the cheek!

[mashman]

I'm not a Doomsdayer, I am simply telling what the scientists are saying after researching the evidence about the oceans, the forests, the ground we walk on, the atmosphere and the animal life. People don't want to think about these things, don't want to face them and are afraid to ask the questions...

Mans self destruction is profit driven. Oceans, forests and ecosystems are destroyed for profit. I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? Same can be said for EVERY other product on the planet... where does the waste go? More's the point, why are we making these things when we know it fucks up the environment? PROFIT ... without profit driven motives, this will change exceptionally quickly for mankind and the planet may well start to heal itself. People would have to be seriously blind not to see this

... and yet the intelligencia, or world leaders don't... shows you how unbelievably fucking stupid these people really are.

[marty]

I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? .

see this is clever marketing by the eco-warriers. where does the jean manufactur start and stop? from watering the cotton to the shipmaster's coffee on the delivery voyage? what about how much water is 'consumed' during the life cycle of a pair? how much water is used washing them once a month? or once a week? if a person drinks 2 litres of fluid a day, over the course of an 80 year-old's life, they will consume 58400 litres of water in their life. that doesn't take toilet use, showers, cooking etc into account. the numbers are huge, yet all of that water is returned to the earth in some form - the only water you retain is that which makes up 70% of your body weight - and the earth will get that back eventually anyway.

take a good look at the earth's cycles over the past million or 2 years - even a nuclear war would not wipe out the earth. it would make an impact, but wouldn't make it 100% unihabitable

[puddytat]

Man is the most adaptable life-form on the planet barring bacteria and we have the advantage of being able to manipulate our environment to suit ourselves to a large degree, so we could survive climate change, an Ice-age or a number of variables. We could fix the issues facing the Earth yet we seem hell-bent on destroying ourselves as fast as possible. Man's extinction is inevitable and far sooner than we may think or want. It is also inexcusable because he's doing it entirely to himself.

...

"I have to spread it around..."
We're not as clever as we'd like to think eh.
Shame we're going to miss the next step in evolution cause we cant seem to be able to work together, or learn from History, just 'cause some outdated financial system has made us all so desperate.
We are missing the greatest opportunity our species has faced, what greater goal than to assure our existance & that of our life support system, Planet Earth ?
To do that means that we have to make some hefty decisions & we're all to fucking selfish for that.

[george formby]

You could be right. The scientists are telling us the oceans are dying and we have between 30 - 50 years before they are completely dead. They also say it is now irreversible. And while you can argue the contribution of Mankind to global climate change, the death of the ocean's is entirely Man's fault through over-fishing and pollution.

For some reason also, every year the US bee count reduces by a staggering 30% and they don't know why.

Somebody has a very good idea....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f3_1292442097

[george formby]

Mans self destruction is profit driven. Oceans, forests and ecosystems are destroyed for profit. I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? Same can be said for EVERY other product on the planet... where does the waste go? More's the point, why are we making these things when we know it fucks up the environment? PROFIT ... without profit driven motives, this will change exceptionally quickly for mankind and the planet may well start to heal itself. People would have to be seriously blind not to see this

... and yet the intelligencia, or world leaders don't... shows you how unbelievably fucking stupid these people really are.

Er, fucking selfish greedy atavistic people, but certainly not stupid.

[Pussy]

Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

[Edbear]

Somebody has a very good idea....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f3_1292442097

It wouldn't surprise me in the least that toxic pollution includes this kind of devastation of the bees.

Er, fucking selfish greedy atavistic people, but certainly not stupid.

No, not stupid, at least in the more "Westernised" countries and I include the European nations in that, but the issue is in getting the various Governments to agree on action and work together. Some are trying to and there is much going on behind the scenes, but as an example, the Japanese whaling issue is typical of what stands in the way. Not just the issue of whaling itself, but in the way the world is trying to sort it out. It is politics getting in the way. It's not acceptable for one nation, eg. the USA to impose its will upon another, eg. Japan, in the interests of the ecology. Extend that problem world-wide to every issue, including deforestation and you start to see why it's not going to stop.

[Edbear]

Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

I've always manitained it's not money itself that is the problem as if you take money out of the equation, you are still left with human nature which is the real problem...

[slofox]

We're doomed I say, doomed, DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED. DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOOOOOOMED!

oops, errr...hehehe...sorry

[george formby]

Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

Oh yes, but profits at any cost? ask John Key, Tony Blair, Silvio Berlusconi, Rupert Murdoch, Roman Abramovich, George W Bush, the real recipients of UN funding, majority shareholders in Nokia, Coke, Mcdonalds, Apple, BP. The World Bank & that Tata industrialist chap what their motivations are then ask the victims of Bhopal, the Inuit, residents of the Niger delta, people who live on the banks of the Mekong river, Yellow river & Irrawaddy or residents of The Gulf of Mexico what the consequences of consumerism are.


I'm just making a noise for the sake of it. It's to late for talking IMHO.

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