I'm confused.Originally Posted by Banditbandit
You're saying NCEA discourages the learning of proven strategies for a sucessful life. But that's a good thing?
Bogeyman
I'm confused.
You're saying NCEA discourages the learning of proven strategies for a sucessful life. But that's a good thing?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Anarchic Wild Child
No .. I'm saying NCEA does not encourage the learning of proven strategies for a successful life ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Watchful Old Bird
NCEA doesn't encourage any learning. It is social engineering designed to achieve 50% failure rate for the future work force. Oh and to keep a bunch of MOE functionaries employed.
Bogeyman
[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1129961241]I'll give you a tentitive pass.
The neo-liberalism thing's pure snake oil, though. Banditbandit could try harder, there.
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Come warm yourself by the fire
Its impossible to 'stand on the shoulders of giants' these days, so one must simply pile up enough fools underneath them to get to the same heights.
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The instructions are simple...
Social engineering...doesn't that describe the entire schooling system? And always has?
Under the 'old' SC and UE regime, 50% passed/failed. If an exam returned a high pass rate, the results were simply scaled back to retain the 50/50 ratio. Or vice versa.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
SH1 rider
yeah wasn't it a great system?
The graduates of it didn't understand the bell curve and standard deviations or how they evened (statistically at least) out fairness cross the different years. Oh and it had that nasty FAIL line, C = pass, D = Fail. The first change was to bury the fail mark within a grade, pity the students were smarter.
The other change that doesn't work with NCEA is the changes to the subjects. The easiest to explain is the likes of woodwork, used to teach basic carpentry/joinery but now its material technology and tries to include design and marketing. Someone good with there hands is not usually good at spin
The instructions are simple...
What's wrong with that? Isn't it now expected that the cleaner has a degree in Business Studies and understands the entire structure of the company for whom they work.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Bogeyman
Nope. That's just accepting real-world comparisons and evaluations.
Social engineering is the foisting of untenable theories onto a population (for the purpose of establishing policy otherwise void of value) under the assumption that they’re less intelligent than the foistie and therefore won’t choke on it.
Like the assertion that kids are all of equal competence in any particular discipline, and implementing a system that attempts to disguise the fact that they aren’t.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
The instructions are simple...
Can't entirely agree. Under the old system, if enough teachers in a subject did a brilliant job, then exam results of that subject were skewed from what was the desired norm, hence the scaling.
What's that if it's not 'engineering' a result?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Bogeyman
Insomuch as the purpose of an exam is to establish competence rather than to determine who failed to take advantage of whatever learning tools or environment was available I’d suggest they’re pretty much simply a statement of fact. Hard to see how you make that a socio-political issue.
Rather than blame teachers for failing to teach why not ask why the student failed to learn? Actually, don’t bother, nobody but their mother’s are interested.
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Watchful Old Bird
They officially don't scale results anymore. they now call it normalising the curve or some such.
Just like they don't have percentage results, they have values out of a hundred instead.
The instructions are simple...
If an exam is/was an attempt to establish competence, then best be asking those that set the questions above/below the curriculum for that year group...
There was never any interest in an individual's competency or whether the curriculum was taught well - only in ensuring half the group failed and half succeeded.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Anarchic Wild Child
I partly agree ... tho' I would apply the concept of social engineering to all political attempts to make social changes - not just what you would call "untenable" but also the "tenable" ones - as it's a value judgement as to which group the theories fall into ... Governments of the Right and the Left practise social engineering ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
The instructions are simple...
In fact, anything designed to 'force' the public to conform to something, is social/political engineering.
ie - every law on the books for a start.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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