Announcement on ACC funded $2m scheme

[riffer]

Yep wonderful,lets rid NZ of any roads with bends in em.Cheers.

Urgh. You bloody well know that's not what I meant.

[Kickaha]

Yep wonderful,lets rid NZ of any roads with bends in em.Cheers.

Not as though a TL goes around corners anyway

[98tls]

How about corners with one apex not 3 or 4?

No doubt theres a motorcycle built today to handle corners with 3/4 or more,fuck me theres bikes built today with any label or intended use any mere mortal could even dream about,jesus someone moaning about the roads is a new slant congrats.Chuck all the money you like in any direction you like it wont make motorcycling and statistics change one iota,as motorcycles get lighter/faster blah blah blah combined with the fact that for many its no longer a passion but more a fashion/image statement things will only get worse re the cost of it to the country.

[98tls]

Not as though a TL goes around corners anyway

Depends what magazines you bought in the day.Decidedly unfashionable these days though,kept me alive for a decade or so.money well spent i say.

[98tls]

Urgh. You bloody well know that's not what I meant.

Yea mate i do (couldnt help the sarc).This whole ACC things got me fucked,both the people enforcing it and to be honest in many cases the reasoning of those opposing it.

[Pussy]

If a few riders left their egos at home, it would drastically improve the statistics.
Wouldn't cost 2 million bucks, either

[Berries]

We make submissions to the MSF. The MSF ..........

I know what the MSL is, what/who is the MSF ?

[98tls]

I know what the MSL is, what/who is the MSF ?

A bunch of motorcycles sick of the part they play re the carnage got together to voice there opinion,aptly calling themselves "motorcycles suffer fools".

[Berries]

Oh well, just in case it wasn't a typo I will keep my rant to myself.........

[eelracing]

I saw a flyer at the bike shop today advertising a motorcycle handling/safety training course at Manfeild track 30th January(no,not a glorified trackday)Hosted by Karel Pavich I think and the first of four such training days.

I just had a quick look as I was off to work but I think it mentioned things like one on one training in basic skills,handling,braking etc.Suitable for learners/beginners/returners etc.
ACC was mentioned but whether subsidised by or held in conjunction I can't be sure.

I'll have a better squizz at it tomorrow and find out more info.

[blackdog]

I saw a flyer at the bike shop today advertising a motorcycle handling/safety training course at Manfeild track 30th January(no,not a glorified trackday)Hosted by Karel Pavich I think and the first of four such training days.

I just had a quick look as I was off to work but I think it mentioned things like one on one training in basic skills,handling,braking etc.Suitable for learners/beginners/returners etc.
ACC was mentioned but whether subsidised by or held in conjunction I can't be sure.

I'll have a better squizz at it tomorrow and find out more info.

there is not a single person on this site that would not benefit in one way or another from attending one of these days

(unless they don't actually ride a bike)

[Grubber]

WRB's are only responsible for one motorcycling fatality in this country that I'm aware of. That, and that in order to actually to hit one, a rider must already be in the shit -and that shit won't be as a result of the WRB being there. Root cause and all that.

I hate WRB's too, but I'd rather my money was spent, among other things, to educate truck drivers and roading contractors that leaving diesel and gravel all over the roads is unacceptable, and towards enforcing the laws surrounding that.

Teaching drivers to move their heads slightly to look over their shoulders before changing lanes wouldn't go amiss either.

Don't really think these things are going to help too much. WRB's have to be hit in the first place to have any effect on ones looks.

It has been said before. NONE of those people you mention represent me. I am not a member of ANY of their organisations. How then do I have any say whatsoever in how my money is spent. I DONT!

BTW I am quite well educated thank you very much.

I sorta agree with this in some small way, but it doesn't have to be like that. As has been said, it is very dependent on the effort you want to put in as to what you will achieve out of it.

And so begins the rot from the uneducated. Allow me to add some sanity to the mix:

There's a number of other names there who deserve mention:

Paul Searancke, Deputy Chairperson (Commissioner: Recreation/Leisure of Motorcycling New Zealand)
Peter McIntosh (President Ulysses Club of NZ Inc)
Yvonne Forrest (Representative of Women's International Motorcycle Association)
Bill Grice (former Chairman of the Motor Industry Association Motorcycle Division)
Brent Hutchison (President of Wellington branch of Bikers Rights Organisation of NZ)
Jess Corbett (Representative of Scoot NZ and the NZ Classic Scooter Club)

You have a representative from MNZ, a representative from Ulysses, a representative from WIMA, a representative from the Motor Industry, a representative from BRONZ, and a representative from the Scroters.

Led by a person who has an enviable record in New Zealand business and with quite a bit of economic nous too - and who's done some pretty cool biking.

The MSF will work through the government's GETZ tendering programme - which means it's totally transparent.

We all have access to StoneY here on KB - and as a friend of mine I know how committed he is to ensuring motorcyclists are put first. Say what you like about Peter Mac but there's no arguing the organisation he represents represent a large proportion of motorcyclists.

I'm just stoked that Mike Noon wasn't allowed on the committee. I wouldn't have been happy about that.

If a few riders left their egos at home, it would drastically improve the statistics.
Wouldn't cost 2 million bucks, either

there is not a single person on this site that would not benefit in one way or another from attending one of these days

(unless they don't actually ride a bike)

I don't actually know too many of these people but then i don't really know too many politicians either and i'm very accepting of the consequences of their actions. One may have to trust them somewhat and hope they can achieve some results that are reflective of my thoughts and needs.

Bottom line for me is, it's my life and it's up to me as an individual to take care of myself and my fellow road users. ei: try not top endanger both them and myself.
Not all subscribe to this theory i feel.

[Genestho]

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/n...tive-announced

Just had this slide into my inbox yesterday.

Well done to the group and best of luck love or hate the idea, it's far better there's a say - than none at all.

It's about having and utilising the ability to present submissions or alternative ideas to a welcome and open ear - Motorcycling orientated.

If you don't take this chance and have your say - then obviously people are going to speak or make decisions on your behalf..

Most submissions I've been involved in have only had at most, a few thousand at a time, this is how little kiwi's care to be involved in what's around them, until it's too late.

This group has easy access to media, data, funding, useful resources and contacts to actually get things done, rather than whinging, or - you could stay with the way things are currently

[riffer]

Oh well, just in case it wasn't a typo I will keep my rant to myself.........

Yeah sorry dude. Typo - Should be MSL, not MSF. My bad.

[rustic101]

Yeah sorry dude. Typo - Should be MSL, not MSF. My bad.

Morning Riffer,

Do you know, have you heard if individuals on the MSL group will be paid or receive any financial gain from the fund or Govt? If so how much, or is their involvement purely voluntarily out of love for the cause?