Why would you ever need more than a 250?

[ducatilover]

I don't wave to 250s

Harley rider?

[Whynot]

Harley rider?

I don't wave to harleys ....
and i only use the KB wave on special occasions

[ducatilover]

I don't wave to harleys ....
and i only use the KB wave on special occasions

Good

[superman]

A 250cc cannot give me an acceleration buzz, and feel like its trying to rip my arms off from walking speed to 100 km/hr. It feels completely flat and soggy after my bike. That's ANY (road going) 250.

Similarly, a 250cc cannot move into gaps in the same way that my V-twin can - I only have to think about being in a gap, and I am there.

A 250 cc cannot pass cars in fractions of seconds, making sunday rides more enjoyable, and less constricted. Breathing tail fumes for miles while waiting for a suitable passing bay is not my idea of fun.

A 250cc could not have got me out of trouble the other day (when Mary Pajero was crossing lanes while shouting at kids in the back) by passing almost instantaneously around her car without having to change gear or even look for one.

A 250cc cannot give you the sense of complete and utter superiority to pretty much any car on the road, to the extent that you have nothing to prove, and dont even try.

A 250cc cannot give me the hassle free riding that comes with being able tstay in 3rd all day in the twisties, and allow me to concentrate on my lines and body positioning.

Yes, you dont NEED that power. The fact is that cars or bikes in general dont NEED anything more than about 25 hp to get to speed limit speeds (over a loooong time). But I dont see too many of those around. People want more power. And I want THAT power...

A 250 does give you good mileage, not bad performance (if you consider having to contemplate WHETHER a car is faster than you as good performance) and is probably suited best for day to day commuting etc. But I would not swap mine for any 250 in the world.

Agree with you on most of your points. Especially being stuck behind bloody cars.

Although, absolutely maxing out the bike on the road to its limit is great without being able to totally shit your pants. And not breaking the speed limit by too much in the process.

If I get a clear run on the 27km to work through those windy country roads, no matter what it makes me grin insanely.

Though as said, the acceleration isn't phenomenal... especially in my parallel twin... so here's to getting at least a 600 when I get out of the shackles of being on a 250 for 2 years.

[ducatilover]

Agree with you on most of your points. Especially being stuck behind bloody cars.

Although, absolutely maxing out the bike on the road to its limit is great without being able to totally shit your pants. And not breaking the speed limit by too much in the process.

If I get a clear run on the 27km to work through those windy country roads, no matter what it makes me grin insanely.

Though as said, the acceleration isn't phenomenal... especially in my parallel twin... so here's to getting at least a 600 when I get out of the shackles of being on a 250 for 2 years.

Don't worry, I found my 650 more fun than the 400's/250's I have had. It was a small bike in a way, but, didn't lack in power and torque as a 250 did and I was commuting 150+Km per day, mainly on winding roads.

[Autech]

Despite countless offers to take a bigger bike for a spin I've turned it down. Why? (forgetting the legal details ) Well I know that the second I wind the throttle on a nice 600 I'll never want to go back to my Hyo. Why spoil the fun? I have a great time on my Hyo, it gets great milage (and yes I think it could handle the TT2000 just fine) and hasn't given me trouble. In one year I've ridden 22000ks on the beast, she's a beaut, I love her, but she's got to go!!!

Here's why:

Try overtaking a ford laser, they decide to put their foot down slightly and you hit a head wind. Bad.
Try turning up to a track day on a 250, you soon get sick of the big bikes holding you up on the corners but blitzing you on the straights, even on the road this happens. Quite often I come across the "I own a hog and I'm fast on corners" chap. Now surprisingly I find most these Hogs aren't all that quicker on a straight than a 250, they're only just enough to frustrate you. So you have to be smart and sit back, wait for a clear corner and sligshot past them

As for the CBR250. I've ridden a few, they're a heck of a lot of fun, but most of them are knackered, they scream constantly and are massively overpriced. Oh and if you blow one up? There was one on a track day I was at and he was mega quick on it, so much so that you really couldn't place a Hyo or Ninja 250 in the same class. One is a 250 engineered to its extreme limit, the other is one made to rules and regulations. Though I'm waiting to see what the new Motogp class brings out onto the market with the 250 singles, will be interesting

End of novel

[racefactory]

Another video for you 250 riders demonstrating the insane fun that can be had on these machines and their capability over bigger machines.

Snippets displaying the prowess of man and machine, that is the LEGENDARY nsr250; one of the most successful Honda motorcycles (a fucking sexy as hell bike, just not in this vid )




NSR250 DOGFIGHT with crash.

An absolutely exhilarating sound...
(that's coming from a 996 owner btw)



Enjoy...

[onearmedbandit]

No one is denying smaller bikes have their pluses, but no one is agreeing that a 250 is all you'll ever need.

[hayd3n]

I don't wave to harleys ....
and i only use the KB wave on special occasions

theres a wave??

[racefactory]

Yes I see that. Not what I implied with the thread title but didn't know people would take it so literally... should have just named it '250's can be hella fun in this and this and this way'

I wish to share just one last video with you 250 riders showcasing some of the pinnacles of small motorcycles when they were fresh back in their day, ridden like they should be, in the country they were created.



Enjoy, that's all for now folks...

[onearmedbandit]

Stand out moments in that vid include, the guy on what looks like an RG50 or similar knee down in a straight line, the scooters keeping pace through the corners, and the guy with a camera attached to his helmet, back in 1988-90!

[onearmedbandit]

Whilst slower than the 250 this is still very impressive, considering it's one of the biggest sports bikes you can get, the ZZR1400.

[racefactory]

Stand out moments in that vid include, the guy on what looks like an RG50 or similar knee down in a straight line, the scooters keeping pace through the corners, and the guy with a camera attached to his helmet, back in 1988-90!

Japs at their finest.

[Whynot]

theres a wave??

yep.

although i think its due for a revamp, maybe we should start a poll on it ..... ?

[imdying]

Try turning up to a track day on a 250, you soon get sick of the big bikes holding you up on the corners but blitzing you on the straights, even on the road this happens.

But do you know why this happens? I mean, a CBR600 will eat your 250 on the corners, no trouble at all. You have to maintain maximum attack on the corners, you have no power to pull you out of the turn. The CBR guy, he doesn't need to ride at 100% all the time, he can leave a little saftey margin in the corners by using his power to get him back up to speed.

Smart riders don't ride at 100% everywhere if there's no prize money, and smart riders definitely don't ride at 100% on the road.