Why would you ever need more than a 250?

**onearmedbandit** · 4th February 2011, 10:20

Originally Posted by imdying

But do you know why this happens? I mean, a CBR600 will eat your 250 on the corners, no trouble at all. You have to maintain maximum attack on the corners, you have no power to pull you out of the turn. The CBR guy, he doesn't need to ride at 100% all the time, he can leave a little saftey margin in the corners by using his power to get him back up to speed.

Smart riders don't ride at 100% everywhere if there's no prize money, and smart riders definitely don't ride at 100% on the road.

+1. I'd put Sal's 600 up against any 15+yr old 250 through any corner. And then it's got 100hp to pull out of the corner.

**banditrider** · 4th February 2011, 16:53

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Whilst slower than the 250 this is still very impressive, considering it's one of the biggest sports bikes you can get, the ZZR1400.

Nice, here's it's fatter brother showing off it's low speed handling.

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**Autech** · 5th February 2011, 11:18

Originally Posted by imdying

But do you know why this happens? I mean, a CBR600 will eat your 250 on the corners, no trouble at all. You have to maintain maximum attack on the corners, you have no power to pull you out of the turn. The CBR guy, he doesn't need to ride at 100% all the time, he can leave a little saftey margin in the corners by using his power to get him back up to speed.

Smart riders don't ride at 100% everywhere if there's no prize money, and smart riders definitely don't ride at 100% on the road.

I agree entirely, I have not yet ridden at 100%, not on the road or a track day, though I'm planning to at my first Prolites round

All I'm saying is that I can't wait to get a bigger bike (March 30

) cause said person who only wants to use, say 70% of their ability, even on a track day, wont hold me up when I want to put a little bit more in than them.

Those NSR's look like they're having a bloody good time, can you hear him cursing when he's picking it up after losing the front?

And my bike is quite heavy so it's not a good example of this, but a well set up LIGHTER 250 will hammer any heavier bike around a corner. Out of the corner no, but for corner speed less weight is key.

**onearmedbandit** · 5th February 2011, 13:07

Originally Posted by Autech

And my bike is quite heavy so it's not a good example of this, but a well set up LIGHTER 250 will hammer any heavier bike around a corner. Out of the corner no, but for corner speed less weight is key.

You're missing a critical component from your equation, that being quality suspension and chassis. A 15yr old 250 will get it's arse spanked by a 2008 CBR600, unless it's on (seriously) worked suspension etc. Remember, the CBR600is 154kg dry, which I'm sure isn't to far removed from a 1990's 250...

**imdying** · 5th February 2011, 14:45

Originally Posted by Autech

All I'm saying is that I can't wait to get a bigger bike (March 30

) cause said person who only wants to use, say 70% of their ability, even on a track day, wont hold me up when I want to put a little bit more in than them.

No, you said:

Try turning up to a track day on a 250, you soon get sick of the big bikes holding you up on the corners but blitzing you on the straights, even on the road this happens.

Which is quite ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Autech

And my bike is quite heavy so it's not a good example of this, but a well set up LIGHTER 250 will hammer any heavier bike around a corner.

Weight has nothing to do with engine size.... my 1000 is probably barely heavier than your 250. Mind you, my 250 is probably a lot lighter than your one too. Regardless, your suspension will tie you up in knots and limit your corner speed way before the thou.

**Autech** · 6th February 2011, 11:57

You're picking apart what I said and completely missing the point, but what else can you expect from this forum?

**onearmedbandit** · 6th February 2011, 12:10

So explain your point a little more clearly for us. You stated that due to the light weight of the 250's they would hold off the bigger bikes through corners, but get blown away on the straights because of their power. Right? Or have I got that wrong?

So what does your 250 weigh? 150kg dry? 160kg?

**R-Soul** · 6th February 2011, 14:18

Originally Posted by racefactory

I wish to share just one last video with you 250 riders showcasing some of the pinnacles of small motorcycles when they were fresh back in their day, ridden like they should be, in the country they were created.

Interestingly enough, almost to a man, they have bad technique.

They are all crossed up and hanging their ass of the seat with a view to get their knee down (for the image), but wiithout getting any decent dynamic effect from it. All of their their torsos are centred along the centreline of their bikes, with their ass hanging off, and probably hanging off their bars with a death grip...

So maybe not the way they were MEANT to be then...

**slothracer** · 6th February 2011, 21:31

Originally Posted by slofox

A CBR250RR is not just "a" 250.

yeah cbr 250rr are a joke. rgv all the way

**slothracer** · 6th February 2011, 21:34

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Yeah they sound fast, I'll give 'em that much.

ha sound and no go.

**avgas** · 6th February 2011, 21:59

Originally Posted by imdying

No, you said:
Which is quite ridiculous.

It is.
And he is right.

I am getting absolutely sick of finding absolute fucking numpties riding big bore bikes.
Fucking knobs who hold up my rides, blocking the roads with their new Ducati ZXR RR ABC 1234cc fancy bikes and their Colgate leathers.
Doing the fucking speed limits posted on the signs of every corner.

Fucking knobs should crash and die, and get the fuck off my roads.
Last think I want is to be associated with these wannabe bikers with big budgets.

I have a simple rule, I don't care what people ride. But if they can't ride for shit they should be on L plate.....if they are 19 or 55......I don't give a fuck.

**R-Soul** · 7th February 2011, 07:47

Originally Posted by avgas

TROLL:
It is.
And he is right.

I am getting absolutely sick of finding absolute fucking numpties riding big bore bikes.
Fucking knobs who hold up my rides, blocking the roads with their new Ducati ZXR RR ABC 1234cc fancy bikes and their Colgate leathers.
Doing the fucking speed limits posted on the signs of every corner.

Fucking knobs should crash and die, and get the fuck off my roads.
Last think I want is to be associated with these wannabe bikers with big budgets.

I have a simple rule, I don't care what people ride. But if they can't ride for shit they should be on L plate.....if they are 19 or 55......I don't give a fuck.

Let me put a heading there for ya...

**avgas** · 7th February 2011, 09:09

Originally Posted by R-Soul

Let me put a heading there for ya...

Wasn't a troll. I am genuinely sick of numpties on bikes now.

If I want to follow a bunch of big bore pansies - I would own a sports car.

Motorcycling should be treated as a sacred thing. It used to be cool and dangerous.