Wondering why we have no recent world champions? Look here

[steveyb]

Download the PDF and check it out!

http://www.cevbuckler.com/en/news_te...tm?news_id=435

Campeonato de Espanol de Velocidad

Buckler = Booze company!!

Most of us would not notice much difference between CEV and MotoGP.

You want to be world champ? Learn Spanish, go to Spain.

With the state of the Spanish economy now it must be getting easier and cheaper to buy a seat there.

[oyster]

What load of rubbish. No one needs to go to Spain. We have the bikes, classes, tracks, weather and tens of thousands of keen youngsters. (Where in the world could you go into a classroom of ten year olds and see 80% of hands go up when the question is asked "who's ridden a motorbike and think it's cool")
All that needs to be done is to get heads out of sand/arses and get our national/club leadership to commit to developing youth. It's simple, costs nothing AND IS PROVEN.

[willytheekid]

Ehhh

Its like most motorsport now days....it all comes down to money!...or whos your dad!(ex driver/rider).

The days of the best rider/drivers is over, now days its watch the best of the rich kids race ....only the luckiest of the "talented" (but not rich) get a shot at the big time.

[Brian d marge]

Sod it , ( ill get me head bitten of by Passionate and Knuckle dragger, but who cares)

Road Racing Paeroa etc is the hidden Gem in NZ , beats hands down a lot of events I have seen around the world , and is right up there with the IOM )

there is no ( structured )Career path. ( well there may be but its ad hoc and not very well presented ) and a lot more needs to be done for the kids ,,,


There are a few people trying to address this , but to be honest , Motocross is easier and cheaper for a family ( might be wrong ...but ,,,,)

Stephen

[ellipsis]

Ehhh

Its like most motorsport now days....it all comes down to money!...or whos your dad!(ex driver/rider).

The days of the best rider/drivers is over, now days its watch the best of the rich kids race ....only the luckiest of the "talented" (but not rich) get a shot at the big time.

....if you teach your kids that kind of shit...fucken right they'll get nowhere..

[willytheekid]

....if you teach your kids that kind of shit...fucken right they'll get nowhere..

What?...that statement has NOTHING!! to do with the thread.
Where talking about moto GP and "world class" events...not some little NZ/Aussie race event!
Just look at GP and F1 drivers & riders, over 90% come from rich familys and well off ex racers....due to the set up and running costs being in the MILLIONS of dollars (a bit! above the average Kiwi race team...Hence the need to go to spain 4 GP).
Kiwi kids don't "usually" have the opportunity or the money to compete on the world stage....hence we don't have a superbike school, or an offical F1 programe for up and coming talent (Shame as we DO have a lot of talent in NZ).
Im sorry the FACTS disagree with your rosy little view on life...but thems the facts! (I don't lie to my kid)

And I Don't remember shitting in your cornflakes this morning?...NEIL!

[oyster]

I've supported 3 of my boys in road racing and I think they've all given/still giving a pretty good shot. No way in hell could I have funded them if they chose motocross
In NZ we are lucky to have minimoto, Young Junior Road Race, miniature road race
and Streetstock which are all very low cost development platforms ideal for youngsters.
It's now PROVEN that if a youngster get's to riding at the top level in these classes they have the requisite skill to go really well almost straight away in the more challenging classes (below)

125Gp, Pro twin and 600's is another story, but still an average family
with a bit of effort can run an effective "budget" programme in all of these as well.

All that's missing the basic principles of:
Promote
Recruit
Train
Support
Until MNZ and club administrators accept seriously these ellents (all of them) are essential then we'll stay in the swamp

[oyster]

I've supported 3 of my boys in road racing and I think they've all given/still giving a pretty good shot. No way in hell could I have funded them if they chose motocross
In NZ we are lucky to have minimoto, Young Junior Road Race, miniature road race
and Streetstock which are all very low cost development platforms ideal for youngsters.
It's now PROVEN that if a youngster get's to riding at the top level in these classes they have the requisite skill to go really well almost straight away in the more challenging classes (below)

125Gp, Pro twin and 600's is another story, but still an average family
with a bit of effort can run an effective "budget" programme in all of these as well.

All that's missing the basic principles of:
Promote
Recruit
Train
Support
Until MNZ and club administrators accept seriously these elements (all of them) are essential then we'll stay in the swamp

[trev]

I always value your posts Oyster as you are one of the few on here that walk the walk MORE than talking the talk.

As a past rider sponsor & potentially a future rider sponsor I'm interested to hear how you see a talented riders career path continuing once they have "cracked it" hear in NZ & need to progress on. To be quite honest it is confusing enough trying to follow what the path is within the NZ scene.

[Brian d marge]

I've supported 3 of my boys in road racing and I think they've all given/still giving a pretty good shot. No way in hell could I have funded them if they chose motocross
In NZ we are lucky to have minimoto, Young Junior Road Race, miniature road race
and Streetstock which are all very low cost development platforms ideal for youngsters.
It's now PROVEN that if a youngster get's to riding at the top level in these classes they have the requisite skill to go really well almost straight away in the more challenging classes (below)

125Gp, Pro twin and 600's is another story, but still an average family
with a bit of effort can run an effective "budget" programme in all of these as well.

All that's missing the basic principles of:
Promote
Recruit
Train
Support
Until MNZ and club administrators accept seriously these ellents (all of them) are essential then we'll stay in the swamp

agreed
can I just add about the age , Here in mini moto , the age is around 7 ish ( maybe younger ) The photos Ive seen ( on Kb ) seem to suggest that the age is higher
how are the young ones supported over there??

We also have the next step up from that , Nsr80 and 100 , and there is some serious coin spent ,( sad but true, reckon it takes the fun out of it a bit ) and starting to get factory support ( hrc parts )

Stephen

Ps Motocross must have changed since my day , if its that expensive ,

[CHOPPA]

The next world champ to come out of NZ will be NIXON FROST!! Hopefully its in MotoGp not bloody ballet

[roadracingoldfart]

The next world champ to come out of NZ will be NIXON FROST!! Hopefully its in MotoGp not bloody ballet

Just make him keep his hair so he dont scare the team managers hes gonna meet.

[oyster]

Young Junior Road Race starts at 10 years old. Motorcycle Canterbury is the only club using it, has had for about 4 years. It's only used for training tho, not racing (they can race under the rules) The results are great as the young ones hit the track running on their 13th birthday, which, with a strong Streetstock junior scene in turn sees them in top shape for 125GP around their 14th birthday.
I've coached, ridden alongside with and observed a number of youngsters in NZ who've packed their bags to go off in hope of Red Bull qualification. All of them
are keen young people but are a million miles away from being up to the standards provided by a scene outside NZ. The frustrating part is to see (some of) them a year or two later really on the game, probably in with a chance (skill wise) but then too old.
The obvious answer is to get training them earlier IE age 10,11,12. Not 14. 15. 16

See my first post. We have the bikes, classes, people. Just missing the commitment of our leadership

[ellipsis]

What?...that statement has NOTHING!! to do with the thread.
Where talking about moto GP and "world class" events...not some little NZ/Aussie race event!
Just look at GP and F1 drivers & riders, over 90% come from rich familys and well off ex racers....due to the set up and running costs being in the MILLIONS of dollars (a bit! above the average Kiwi race team...Hence the need to go to spain 4 GP).
Kiwi kids don't "usually" have the opportunity or the money to compete on the world stage....hence we don't have a superbike school, or an offical F1 programe for up and coming talent (Shame as we DO have a lot of talent in NZ).
Im sorry the FACTS disagree with your rosy little view on life...but thems the facts! (I don't lie to my kid)

And I Don't remember shitting in your cornflakes this morning?...NEIL!

...everything that gets posted on the racing side of this forum is inter-connected...whether its about too much money...not enough support...lack of leadership...a fairly flat national series...my post may have seemed pointed at your post, personally, sorry if it seemed that way, but it wasn't...your post coupled with the OP seemed like another excuse..way out, for why we are not huge on the world scene of top end motorsport...we still have boys and girls out there dominating motorsport in their particular fields on the world stage...F1 , Motorcycle Grand Prix' have always been the elite of the elite...kiwis that got there before have always had to go to europe or elsewhere to get a foot in...nothings changed ...it still took being driven to be the best and the costs have always been relative to the eras...nothing rosy coming from my corner...the other threads regards the National Series , too many classes, not run correctly, politics and general scrapping with each other seem fairly pointless...we are just a tiny little bunch of people living in a tiny little country, our southernmost track is the southernmost track on the planet...we dont have enough money it seems to run our own national series in a form where anyone other than those involved actually turn up and then only in such numbers that it seems a miniscule sport....the only way out it would seem , is to make our sport grow and grow....and you dont make a sport grow from the top down,moaning about every obstacle that appears and concentrating on the negatives...whether its managed by someone disconnected from the sport or by those in the sport is completely irrelevant if all we have to offer is what we have now....can only agree wholeheartedly with Pete who is and has been putting his all into the sport , with his training of youngsters and getting them out there...we need to remove our heads from our arse's and look at the big picture...then we will see that the picture is really fairly small...more communication and less standoffs and absolutes...I have a banana for breakfast...
...

[wharfy]

What load of rubbish. No one needs to go to Spain. We have the bikes, classes, tracks, weather and tens of thousands of keen youngsters. (Where in the world could you go into a classroom of ten year olds and see 80% of hands go up when the question is asked "who's ridden a motorbike and think it's cool")
All that needs to be done is to get heads out of sand/arses and get our national/club leadership to commit to developing youth. It's simple, costs nothing AND IS PROVEN.

I guess it depends on the school, wouldn't be many 10 year olds in MY area that had ridden a motorbike (though most would think it was cool).

It would be great if Wellington had a track within a 20 min drive that could be used after 5 pm as well

I think the suggestion to go to Spain was tongue in cheek -
I thought the point of the post was to show a slick looking race series catering to all ages and how much advantage it gives kids coming through a system like that.

The other advantages Spain has is a population almost exactly 10 times NZ's and the ability to drive to dozens of wold class tracks and events.

I don't think anywhere in NZ has weather to compare with Spain!

But I whole heartedly agree that MUCH MORE needs to be done to foster young riders here - just to keep NZ racing going - never mind world champs !

Even the most talented is still going to need a fair bit of help (and some luck) to make it in a VERY expensive sport once you get past buckets and street stock.

Although I said I didn't think the point of the post was to move to Spain I would consider it if I had an 8 year old who was mad keen on racing.

There is a precedent set in the rugby world - quite a few Europeans come to NZ to play at club level to take advantage of the "total immersion" we have in the sport. (Marty Johnson former Captain of the World Cup winning English team and current coach is probably the highest profile) I have never been to Spain (yet) but the indications are that the Spanish view motorcycle racing the same way Kiwi's view rugby which is why they enjoy the same level of success at bike racing as we do at rugby.

Just in case there are some who DON'T believe NZ are successful at rugby a quote from Wikipedia

Rugby union is regarded as New Zealand's national sport.[1] They won the inaugural Rugby World Cup, are the leading points scorers of all time and the only international rugby team with a winning record against every test nation they have ever played. They have held the top ranking in the IRB World Rankings for longer than all other countries combined.[2] and in over 100 years of international competition, New Zealand have only ever been beaten by five rugby test playing nations.