Exactly how far out of touch...

[Ocean1]

...is this jerk.

"We've got to stop New Zealand becoming a country where the rich are getting richer and the poor are poorer."

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...onomic-growth/

This, from those responsible for destroying thousands of jobs in New Zealand.

Unbelievable.

[phill-k]

...is this jerk.

"We've got to stop New Zealand becoming a country where the rich are getting richer and the poor are poorer."

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...onomic-growth/

This, from those responsible for destroying thousands of jobs in New Zealand.

Unbelievable.

Almost as big a jerk as Keys response - where does he think the money for his tax cut will come from, keys response the overseas pixies, funny that did key fund his tax cut you know the one where 50% of the dollar value of that cut went to the top 12% of the income earners - his rich mates, who probably also lent him the money as well from somewhere else, or are we already borrowing 250million a week to cover his gift to the boys. At least Goff's efforts will be sheered equally by dollar value.

While you consider this pray tell me what Key has actually done for the vast majority, what has he done to increase employment, what has he done to kick start the NZ economy, besides his cycle track

[Latte]

While you consider this pray tell me what Key has actually done for the vast majority, what has he done to increase employment, what has he done to kick start the NZ economy, besides his cycle track

He kept labour out of office for a start.

[Elysium]

Don't worry guys, when Winston gets back into Parliament all our problems will go away.

[Ocean1]

tax cut you know the one where 50% of the dollar value of that cut went to the top 12% of the income earners

You mean the people who were paying more than everyone else in the first place? The ones that still do?

Those ones?

[rainman]

Don't worry guys, when Winston gets back into Parliament all our problems will go away.

...perhaps to be replaced by a different set?

Actually, in a way I hope Winnie does get back in. He adds a dash of comedic style that might get me reading Hansard again. Pity we can't have Cullen back too, he was quite witty. The current lot are boring as a boring thing.

[rainman]

You mean the people who were paying more than everyone else in the first place? The ones that still do?

Those ones?

Ah, a flat taxer.

Pray tell, which (developed and vaguely civilised) countries don't have a progressive tax system?

[Ocean1]

Ah, a flat taxer.

Yup. Flat one-off annual cost.

What? you want money based on how hard I work?

Pray tell, which (developed and vaguely civilised) countries don't have a progressive tax system?

All of them.

[Mully]

Yay, a political thread. Where's Skyryder gone??

Not that Phil Goff will get anywhere near the top of the Beehive anyway.

[Hitcher]

I'd like to see a taxation system where you get 1 vote for every $10,000 tax you pay. If you're not a taxpayer i.e. a beneficiary whose income comes entirely from other taxpayers, then you don't get a vote. Why should we have a system that allows takers to take more by giving them the ability to vote for political parties that support and perpetuate that ethos? My enhanced system would actually provide an incentive for people to pay more tax, particularly if your total contribution was close to a $10,000 trigger point that gained you one more vote.

[Latte]

I'd like to see a taxation system where you get 1 vote for every $10,000 tax you pay. If you're not a taxpayer i.e. a beneficiary whose income comes entirely from other taxpayers, then you don't get a vote. Why should we have a system that allows takers to take more by giving them the ability to vote for political parties that support and perpetuate that ethos? My enhanced system would actually provide an incentive for people to pay more tax, particularly if your total contribution was close to a $10,000 trigger point that gained you one more vote.

Sounds good, as long as I can trade my votes for cash , but politics shoudln't be about money, right......... right?

[R6_kid:Me]

You mean the people who were paying more than everyone else in the first place? The ones that still do?

Those ones?

The ones who earn more, and spend more and therefore get taxed more.

All these 'poor' people can be rich if they want, just that most of them lack the motivation to seek the knowledge on how to get out of the holes they are in. Whats the point in taxing the people who are out there creating jobs and generating wealth for themselves and the country?

Everyone benefits from the $5000 no tax threshold (its $6k in Australia) but the thing is that those that 'benefit' from it - i.e those at the bottom end - will probably use it to get into more debt to buy things they don't need and continue the cycle of "poor me, make my life easier".

I much prefer the reduction or removal of GST on things such as educational items, healthy food and other day to day items that will directly help those most affected from low incomes - children.

[Spearfish]

Don't worry guys, when Winston gets back into Parliament all our problems will go away.

I know the average age of bikers is supposed to be increasing but not as far as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_rinse_brigade and http://www.depend.com.au/ ...?!?

[Smifffy]

I'd like to see a taxation system where you get 1 vote for every $10,000 tax you pay. If you're not a taxpayer i.e. a beneficiary whose income comes entirely from other taxpayers, then you don't get a vote. Why should we have a system that allows takers to take more by giving them the ability to vote for political parties that support and perpetuate that ethos? My enhanced system would actually provide an incentive for people to pay more tax, particularly if your total contribution was close to a $10,000 trigger point that gained you one more vote.

Sounds a little bit too much like feudal Europe for my taste.

I also shudder to think what the country would be like when in days of boom, the like of Petrecivic et al would be calling the shots in Parliament.

No thanks.

[Hitcher]

Sounds good, as long as I can trade my votes for cash , but politics shoudln't be about money, right......... right?

Why would you want to trade your votes for cash? Politics should be about deciding what services a government provides for citizens and to what level. Politicians should consult with voters about that and then be guided by the wishes of a majority. When was the last time any political party asked you how much tax you should pay and what you'd like it spent on?