Chemical lies?

[mashman]

I was watchin telly last night, well, kinda... and that Menevit and Elevit ad came on... blah blah take before having a baby etc... it reduces neural tube defects by 92%... Now that's a pretty bold claim and one that I would have thought was utterly unproveable. Yes, unproveable. That in itself is a pretty bold statement
considering it flies in the face of research produced and validated by the Medical profession. Where the fuck do I get off questioning wether it works or not. Obviously you'll want to tune out around about now. Bye.

For those who bother to read the rest: Think about it for 1 second. How do they know? How can they claim a 92% reduction? I mean, we have 3 kids, all healthy, never any problems and yet 2 years ago we miscarried. My wife is very careful about what she eats etc... so there really was no real reason for it... never again, I went and got snipped.

So how do you prove that it prevents 92% of neural tube defects? In my eyes you can't, unless you're sample group is everyone. Did they test 2 people?, 4?, 4000? how many is reflective of the population?

Now i'm not saying that it doesn't work, but taking that 92% on blind faith is utterly rediculous. I'm as guilty as the next person... but why would I question what the experts are saying? Easy in this case, I don't believe that they can actually prove it!

This isn't an isolated incident and we are constantly being experimented on under the guise of preventation (deny it and you're really fuckin ignorant, drugs take 10 years to get on to the shelves and are tested on who? and for what environment? ... What are the effects from year 11 onwards)... Look at some of the scare mongering these days and some of the "connections" that researchers are coming up with. One of the more recent ones being household chemicals linked to Breast Cancer!!! WTF! It does kinda makes sense though... you prepare your food on a nice clean germ free surface... but that surface is now covered in chemicals. How did we ever survive without these products? It must be a miracle, because we definately have and even the most sterile environments, hospitals, have infections that spread from time to time, SHIT HAPPENS, people get ill and die. Who's to say that the problems with our food aren't actually caused by the amount of chemicals that animals eat? Their enviroments are treated for longer production amongst other things... Why did they take Lead out of fuel? Why did they try to remove Mercury from fillings? the list is practically endless... It's the blind leading the blind and hoping for the best... if the best is the desired outcome

Obviously there must be some benefits from some drugs. Herceptin for example. It shows real promise, has some pretty serious side effects (so does chemo), but shows promise... and yet not everyone's going to get it because it's too expensive and your government won't pay for it (voluntary euthanasia?). A conspiracy theorist might try to link the household chemicals causing Breast Cancer, to those who provide Herceptin, but that's another subject, well tangent. I may well be way off target wit that conspiracy, but I don't doubt for a minute that that practice exists in one form or another (hey, if you've got the virus and the cure and no morals)... after all, vaccines and medications are generally derived from the "cause"

Anyhoo, a cause for concern. Are all mothers tested for Hepatitis B? I'm guessing no. Why not? Because of this and its Mother's status unknown (the test probably costs too much). If mothers aren't tested (probably saves money), then your new born child will receive the Hepatits B vaccination. And according to this blog page (take it how you want), it's fuckin dangerous and unnecessary.

So how much are you willing to take things on faith these days. Mine was shattered decades ago... yet I still have to live in YOUR fucked up world!

You spray chemicals everywhere and pump your bodies full of "wellness" products. Does that have repercussions? I think we're seeing this slowly but surely. Your world and humanity is being fucked over on your behalf... Please vote National or Labour at the next election, fuck you very much.

Rant off...

[Hitcher]

New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world that allows pharmaceutical companies to advertise directly to consumer. It's a practice of which I disapprove. How many punters are going to do the research necessary before they go and harangue their GPs to get what it is they think they need, after having been made aware of all of the so-called benefits of drugs with scant regard having been given to the snide effects?

Hair loss, erection loss, tobacco loss, weight-loss and other drugs, all designed to appeal largely to vanity, rather than to reality or a carefully considered diet and exercise regime.

I once told Mrs H that I needed a course of Propecia because the fine print said it would make me important. She advised me to get better reading glasses or a spell checker.

[oneofsix]

I once told Mrs H that I needed a course of Propecia because the fine print said it would make me important. She advised me to get better reading glasses or a spell checker.

you are lucky she didn't just say "yes"

[avgas]

My wifes on levit thingamagig.
I reckon cos she finks she can saves the babys from me stupid.
But me stupids are genetics, and will gets them.

[onearmedbandit]

yet I still have to live in YOUR fucked up world!

Oi, you owe me rent!

[george formby]

You think about what you see on the box too Mashman?

I feel a lot better now. Not pharmaceutical related but the same advertising idea. A mate came in the shop with his wife's water biscuits yesterday, the low fat ones he had been told to get. 99.7% fat free no less. The ingredients? Flour, water, sugar, salt & baking powder. Dupe.

I'm appalled at the crap sold to us on the pretext it will keep us safer & healthier. The current fad with antiseptic hand lotions I find particularly scary.
Don't bother washing your hands, rub them with our muck which kills "99% of germs tested" (how many?) but once the alcohol has evaporated their is even more crap to breed in.

Not too long now before we are shelling out squillions for pills which will allow us to be long lived, obese, immobile, crap eaters. Ooh happy day, a cure for stupidity just around the corner.

I guess the slogan should be "Buy into our promise but don't read the small print"

[oneofsix]

You think about what you see on the box too Mashman?

I feel a lot better now. Not pharmaceutical related but the same advertising idea. A mate came in the shop with his wife's water biscuits yesterday, the low fat ones he had been told to get. 99.7% fat free no less. The ingredients? Flour, water, sugar, salt & baking powder. Dupe.

I'm appalled at the crap sold to us on the pretext it will keep us safer & healthier. The current fad with antiseptic hand lotions I find particularly scary.
Don't bother washing your hands, rub them with our muck which kills "99% of germs tested" (how many?) but once the alcohol has evaporated their is even more crap to breed in.

Not too long now before we are shelling out squillions for pills which will allow us to be long lived, obese, immobile, crap eaters. Ooh happy day, a cure for stupidity just around the corner.

I guess the slogan should be "Buy into our promise but don't read the small print"

known trick, take out the fat, add in the sugar and/or salt, otherwise where's the flavour?
Saw a test on those handsanitisers, vs soap, vs just water vs anti-bacterial handcleaners. the Alcohol things came off worse than plan water, especially around chicken, and plain water wasn't that far off the rest with old fashioned soap being just as good.

[Scuba_Steve]

Saw a test on those handsanitisers, vs soap, vs just water vs anti-bacterial handcleaners. the Alcohol things came off worse than plan water, especially around chicken, and plain water wasn't that far off the rest with old fashioned soap being just as good.

Damm Giggity & at-least with the likes of good old soap your immune system gets a chance to grow, that would be my biggest concern with products like detol hand sanitizer will kids just end up "boy in bubbles" through 'over-protection'

[oneofsix]

Damm Giggity & at-least with the likes of good old soap your immune system gets a chance to grow, that would be my biggest concern with products like detol hand sanitizer will kids just end up "boy in bubbles" through 'over-protection'

The food lies worry me the most. I know where I am with soap, the old fashion self cleaning cake of soap. With food it is so hard to tell what's what and even the 'experts' don't know whats good and what is bad, example eggs were good then demonised for high cholesterol for decades and how good protein cause they discovered the body knows the cholesterol in eggs and does absorb it. Will it be the same for nature sugar vs artificial?

[george formby]

Damm Giggity & at-least with the likes of good old soap your immune system gets a chance to grow, that would be my biggest concern with products like detol hand sanitizer will kids just end up "boy in bubbles" through 'over-protection'

The fear mongering by producers of household cleaners, soaps, sanitizers etc is causing people to become anal about cleanliness. Unfortunately it doe's not make them keep things clean but rather buy the magic bullet to put on their dirty cloth & smear on the bench top.
Perhaps it will work the other way, we are definitely not getting more hygienic & by adding all these chemicals to the mix some people may be born with bullet proof immune systems while the rest suffer allergies to everything.

Personally, I quite like a nice bit of fresh muck & filth.

[george formby]

The food lies worry me the most. I know where I am with soap, the old fashion self cleaning cake of soap. With food it is so hard to tell what's what and even the 'experts' don't know whats good and what is bad, example eggs were good then demonised for high cholesterol for decades and how good protein cause they discovered the body knows the cholesterol in eggs and does absorb it. Will it be the same for nature sugar vs artificial?

If your not sure just wait a few months & you will read something different.

Meanwhile wash your meat, fruit & veg in round up & get as much aspartame into you as possible. Might as well get in line for the big payouts.

[mashman]

Oi, you owe me rent!

heh, the place is a mess... until you tidy the place up i'm witholding it

[mashman]

The food lies worry me the most. I know where I am with soap, the old fashion self cleaning cake of soap. With food it is so hard to tell what's what and even the 'experts' don't know whats good and what is bad, example eggs were good then demonised for high cholesterol for decades and how good protein cause they discovered the body knows the cholesterol in eggs and does absorb it. Will it be the same for nature sugar vs artificial?

Aye, tis the food that worries me too... and example... cover cows in drench? what does that do to the cow. Tainted milk? Beef?, what about the legacy of growth hormone... who knows what the byproduct is then shat out and fertilizes the ground that they then eat from again... all to make the cows more productive land treatments to get more out of the grass that poson the waterways etc... it's a minefield. All in the name of better productivity

[oneofsix]

Aye, tis the food that worries me too... and example... cover cows in drench? what does that do to the cow. Tainted milk? Beef?, what about the legacy of growth hormone... who knows what the byproduct is then shat out and fertilizes the ground that they then eat from again... all to make the cows more productive land treatments to get more out of the grass that poson the waterways etc... it's a minefield. All in the name of better productivity

milks a good one. A natural product, well except for concerns above. I heard they break it down and then rebuild it into the product for the market, skim (sorry low fat) added calcium etc. Why not just pasturise and sell like they did in the glass bottle home delivery days? Why does it have to be 'processed'?

[mashman]

milks a good one. A natural product, well except for concerns above. I heard they break it down and then rebuild it into the product for the market, skim (sorry low fat) added calcium etc. Why not just pasturise and sell like they did in the glass bottle home delivery days? Why does it have to be 'processed'?

a mate of mine's mum is a nutritionist and she's says by the time they've boiled it up, pasteurised it or whatever they end up doing to it for the marketplace, ther's next to no beneficial "goodness" left... I'll ask him if she has any doco...

heh, a conspiracy theorist might say that they're processing out the chemicals but it would only be a theory...