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    This might make an interesting read..

    Tamaki, who had for years been ignored when he made political speeches, now had a captive audience. The political climate had also changed. New Zealand was a [reticent] and disillusioned country. At Kyoto the New Zealand government had been forced to sign a treaty that gave away 13% of her Carbon Credits. This meant a loss for 4 million people, a large percentage of her raw materials (65% of iron ore reserves, 45% of her coal, 72% of her zinc) and 10% of her factories had to reduce production to save credits. New Zealand also lost production in all her overseas colonies.

    Under the terms of the Kyoto Treaty New Zealand also had to pay for damage caused by the excessive carbon production. These reparations amounted to 38% of her national wealth.

    Tamaki was no longer isolated. The New Zealand people who attended his lectures shared his sense of failure. They found his message that they were not to blame attractive. He told them that New Zealand had not been beaten in the courts but had been betrayed by Athiests and Prodestants who had not preached religion and undermined their effort.

    The New Zealand People also began using Tamaki as a spy. In September 1999, he was instructed to attend a meeting of the Destiny New Zealand Party (DNZP). The party feared that this new party, led by Richard Lewis, might be advocating anti-athiest revolution. Tamaki discovered that the party's political ideas were similar to his own. He approved of Lewis’s New Zealand nationalism and anti-athiesm but was unimpressed with the way the party was organized. Although there as a spy, Tamaki could not restrain himself when a member made a point he disagreed with, and he stood up and made a passionate speech on the subject.

    Lewis was impressed with Tamaki's abilities as an orator and invited him to join the party. At first Tamaki was reluctant, but urged on by his party president, Stephen Brown, he eventually agreed. He was only the fifty-fourth person to join the DNZP. Tamaki was immediately asked to join the executive committee and was later appointed the party's propaganda manager or bishop.

    In the next few weeks Tamaki brought several members of his peer group into the party, including one of his fellows, Paul Hubble. The arrival of Hubble was an important development as he had access to the New Zealand political funding and was able to transfer some of the money into the DNZP.

    The Destiny New Zealand Party used some of this money to advertise their meetings. Tamaki was often the main speaker and it was during this period that he developed the techniques that made him into such a persuasive orator.

    Tamaki always arrived late which helped to develop tension and a sense of expectation. He took the stage, stood to attention and waited until there was complete silence before he started his speech. For the first few months Tamaki appeared nervous and spoke haltingly. Slowly he would begin to relax and his style of delivery would change. He would start to rock from side to side and begin to gesticulate with his hands. His voice would get louder and become more passionate. Sweat poured of him, his face turned white, his eyes bulged and his voice cracked with emotion. He ranted and raved about the injustices done to New Zealanders and played on his audience's emotions of hatred and envy. By the end of the speech the audience would be in a state of near hysteria and were willing to do whatever Tamaki suggested.

    As soon as his speech finished Tamaki would quickly leave the stage and disappear from view. Refusing to be photographed, Tamaki's aim was to create an air of mystery about himself, hoping that it would encourage others to come and hear the man who was now being described as "the new Messiah".

    Tamaki's reputation as an orator grew and it soon became clear that he was the main reason why people were joining the party. This gave Tamaki tremendous power within the organization as they knew they could not afford to lose him. One change suggested by Tamaki concerned adding "Destiny" to the name of the party. Tamaki had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in New Zealand after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the New Zealand Labour Party (NSLP), one the larger political parties in New Zealand.

    Tamaki, therefore wanted redefined New Zealand by placing the word 'Destiny' before it. He claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had "Kiwi blood". Athiests and other "aliens" would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Kiwi should be brought to an end.
    Its the history of Adolph hitler - i've just changed the names of a few things to make it interesting to read. And of course represents my view of where Tamaki is going.
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    It means I'm not an authority or a teacher, and may not have any experience so take things with a pinch of salt (a.k.a bullshit) rather than fact

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    Next steps in his ascendency: Archbishop Tamaki, Cardinal Tamaki, Pope Brian, God.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by What?
    I'm thinking of starting a whole new religion in which Robert Plant will be the messiah (he foresaw the Internet when he wrote the words "...many times I've wondered how much there is to know..."
    Obviously, the net itself will be the deity here, and as decent servers cost money, the devotees will have to donate 25% of their income to the church. Should be very lucrative.
    Any of you guys want to be a bishop?
    Hell yeah! And we can listen to stuff like "The Mighty Rearranger" in church, instead of your normal boring hymns.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin
    The saddest thing about the whole circus is that those who need money the most, are the ones giving it away to it.
    In the oldy oldy old days, tithing suported a whole bunch of things, and effectively replaced taxes for things like caring for the sick and poor. Nowadays, where we already have a social welfare system, there should be no reason for a 10% tithe.
    ... and that's what I think.

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    nothing like a bunch of ill-informed (or completely uninformed) opinions to provide some good balanced criticism hmmmm ?

    anyone moaning about destiny and tithing 10% oughta do some reading of the Old Testament. Some of his other ideas may not be so easy to understand (I don't) but the tithing one seems popular to beat on.

    the REASON for tithing was to look after God's House, ie. the leaders, the building, the churches activites. Some of those activities include social welfare activity but just because we have the DPB doesn't mean all of societies poorest are being cared for.

    I do wonder how many of those that moan about tithing and christians being stupid for giving their money to the church actually do their own form of social welfare to the same degree? Any takers? Those in glass houses....

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    I have no problem with the concept of tithing and think that for churches it is an entirely sensible way of equipping themselves to do Good Works. If a church had to rely on gold coins in collection plates it wouldn't last long.

    What puts people off the concept of tithing is lack of humility and Ostentatious Displays of Wealth: bling, haircuts, suits, shoes, Harleys, houses, SUVs, and multi-million dollar worship palaces. I'm not saying that Destiny and other similar churches don't put money back into the hands of those in genuine need. But they would be more accepted by the community at large if they were seen to be selflessly putting people first, rather than enhancing the reputation of their self-appointed leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkiwi
    anyone moaning about destiny and tithing 10% oughta do some reading of the Old Testament. Some of his other ideas may not be so easy to understand (I don't) but the tithing one seems popular to beat on.
    Having read the bible and several version of it. Can you point out the exact phrase that says anything about tithing. I think you'll find that it doesnt say anything at all.

    In fact, in 2 cor 9 it suggests that asking for someone to give stuff is not really a good idea (but that is in the hacked king james version). And no official version of the bible uses the word tithe - the correct term is bounty and is defined as your excess stuff (ie. hand me downs, and the like).

    In actual fact, only Levites have the right to receive tithe and its this that the old testimant states. Since the levites (or the leviacal order of priests) havnt existed for over a thousand years or so, I doubt you'd find any person of jewish descent who pays tithe.

    Basically its now a christian hack for screwing you out of money for no other reason of personal gain for the church and its organisers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMelon
    It'd be all good and nice if Destiny Church was just a commercial venture, but when's the last time you saw McDonalds run for government by offering all its customers a free Big Mac?
    of course its a commercial venture, no need to run Mcdonalds and Destiny church as a COMPLETE similarity I did not mean that obviously.

    Oh and by the way get rid of that fucken nutters photo off your profile, what the hell is he there for, do you idolise him or something ?
    Ive run out of fucks to give

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkiwi
    nothing like a bunch of ill-informed (or completely uninformed) opinions to provide some good balanced criticism hmmmm ?
    If that's directed at me (since it follows my post, I'll assume that it is, in part at least), then I'm neither ill-informed nor completely uninformed. I am guilty of perhaps not thinking more carefully before posting, however.

    I am well aware of the Old Testament (having studied it, well.. studiously), and of tithing, having tithed for a period of time myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkiwi
    I do wonder how many of those that moan about tithing and christians being stupid for giving their money to the church actually do their own form of social welfare to the same degree? Any takers? Those in glass houses....
    Yeah, I do actually give to a variety of causes, not that it's any of your business.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    What puts people off the concept of tithing is lack of humility and Ostentatious Displays of Wealth: bling, haircuts, suits, shoes, Harleys, houses, SUVs, and multi-million dollar worship palaces. I'm not saying that Destiny and other similar churches don't put money back into the hands of those in genuine need. But they would be more accepted by the community at large if they were seen to be selflessly putting people first, rather than enhancing the reputation of their self-appointed leaders.
    Eggs Zachary.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

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    Spankme for Bishop!

    I won't pay $55, I won't give 10% of anything (least of all the money used to pay my mortgage)...

    But I'd be there for the laugh and might even help make the crown... anyone got some spare tinfoil?

    Put a little holy (10/50) oil in his hair, mutter something in bike speak then parade him though town!

    Spanky - you gotta look like it's a surprise though ok - protest a little at first, then set the rules for the rest of us to follow...

    As our prospective bishop is a site perv nominee I can see this could get interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder
    Put a little holy (10/50) oil in his hair, mutter something in bike speak then parade him though town!
    You'll have to give him some hair first...
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


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    Well now... let's see.

    He's there and he's making money... It'll be interesting to see what assets he owns (interests have to be declared at the time of entering Parliamtn... or something like that to make sure there are no conflicts of interest when making laws on stuff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman
    You'll have to give him some hair first...
    yeah good point... maybe we could organise a miracle and have some grow back??

    Sorry Spankme... please don't use your almightly powers and smite me from KB into the wilderness...
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    re tithing & the churches wealth-yeah its amazing how things have changed. i interviewed a woman in northern ireland for a film i'm makin and she was really upset about the wealth of st. josephs church in omagh. she remarked in her childhood the priests rode bicycles and were poor-but had enormous power and status etc and now they drive mercs, smoke cigars and play golf (no joke) (and, like policemen nowadays... have less status...)... but tamaki would have to work a bit harder to catch up to the likes of tammy faye...

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfchick
    re tithing & the churches wealth-yeah its amazing how things have changed. i interviewed a woman in northern ireland for a film i'm makin and she was really upset about the wealth of st. josephs church in omagh. she remarked in her childhood the priests rode bicycles and were poor-but had enormous power and status etc and now they drive mercs, smoke cigars and play golf (no joke) (and, like policemen nowadays... have less status...)... but tamaki would have to work a bit harder to catch up to the likes of tammy faye...
    Did you know that the Catholic church in Nz is one of the wealthest organisation? They have a large holding of properties. Most of Mission Bay, St Heliers, Kohimarama area belongs to the church on leasehold to owners. They also invest church money on the stockmarket.

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