2011 NZ Champs

**Robert Taylor** · 1st February 2011, 18:40

Originally Posted by suzuki21

Ohlins is a very good product, but Dan is so happy with what he has got he dosnt want anything changed. He was riding an Aprillia RSV4 which I know that other racers have said they are a beautifull handling bike, so if he is happy that says something. I think Kerry is onto something with the stock stuff.

So why wasnt the Canadian guy fast on the same stuff? I think its got a lot more to do with the brilliance and total lack of fear of the rider.
There is hardly strength in numbers to confirm, more like a few horror stories and one very visible one. Ask people who were there.
If Dan wins one or two good on him but its clear he is very much on the edge and has a high chance of hurting himself. I think that is fair and reasoned observation.

**Nonbeliever** · 1st February 2011, 20:27

Stauffer was running a modded stock rear shock?

**Nonbeliever** · 1st February 2011, 20:44

Originally Posted by Sensei

Shaun you of all people should know if you have skills you can ride around afair amount of poor setup ...

are you suggesting Stauffer could keep up with stroud and bugden on a poorly setup bike, on a track he hasnt seen before?

He's a very good rider obviously, but c'mon

**SWERVE** · 1st February 2011, 21:07

It was clear watching superbikes at Levels that D Stauffer was on the edge and clearly not as well set up as the other lead bikes.
however it is amazing how close "modified stock" stuff can get to the "real Mccoy" with a rider with talant and ability to ride so close to the edge.
Give credit where credit is due........... to rider & susp person.

It is only one track so far........... lets see how much a part talent can play at Teretonga where set up is "different"
Personally think that if Mr Stauffer was to "defect" to the superior suspension opposition this championship may suddenly become very predictable.
As you were gentlemen

**Drew** · 1st February 2011, 22:20

Originally Posted by Shaun

Proves just how GOOD Dukic Performance modified Standard suspension can be, well done.

Yeah, bet Nick Cole was fuckin stoked with it.

What's with the sudden bum tounging Shaun? Kerry knows his shit for sure, and is a genuinely nice fella (once story time is over). But I'm sure you used to tune suspension too, with Traxxion gear if memory serves. Are you subbing that side of things out now?

**suzuki21** · 2nd February 2011, 05:05

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

So why wasnt the Canadian guy fast on the same stuff? I think its got a lot more to do with the brilliance and total lack of fear of the rider.
There is hardly strength in numbers to confirm, more like a few horror stories and one very visible one. Ask people who were there.
If Dan wins one or two good on him but its clear he is very much on the edge and has a high chance of hurting himself. I think that is fair and reasoned observation.

Andrew wasnt as fast because................ he wasnt fast. Brian lapped Manfield 1.5secs quicker on same day and same bike. I agree Dan is loose and gives people heart attacks, but maybe thats why he wins so much elsewhere? The same can be said about Craig being on the edge and maybe hurting himself except he actually crashes.

**gixerracer** · 2nd February 2011, 09:21

Originally Posted by suzuki21

Andrew wasnt as fast because................ he wasnt fast. Brian lapped Manfield 1.5secs quicker on same day and same bike. I agree Dan is loose and gives people heart attacks, but maybe thats why he wins so much elsewhere? The same can be said about Craig being on the edge and maybe hurting himself except he actually crashes.

Haha only pussies ride on the edge I like to go over the edge.
Maybe if kerry done my suspension I would stay on the bike more?

**jellywrestler** · 2nd February 2011, 18:57

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

So why wasnt the Canadian guy fast on the same stuff? I think its got a lot more to do with the brilliance and total lack of fear of the rider.
There is hardly strength in numbers to confirm, more like a few horror stories and one very visible one. Ask people who were there.
If Dan wins one or two good on him but its clear he is very much on the edge and has a high chance of hurting himself. I think that is fair and reasoned observation.

That Canadian guy, Andrew Nelson, thought he'd won before he got here and never really got going in my mind. (did well at Wanganui as a newcomer albeit)
Horror stories you mention, I saw Dan lose a couple of times; did you see the one on the front straight? Stoud was in front and had a moment himself, Stauffers lucky that he avoided him and in doing so his front end tucked in a little and brought on his own dramas, while he was the one that got all the 'press' it didn't start by his actions.
Also what was the go with Bugdens back end coming on to the back straight, losing all that drive, in particular, and Stroud could see on the road his tyre was had it too.
Wasn't he on fancy suspension?
Give Stauffer his dues, he's spent many years on Ohlins and is happy with the modified stock set up on the R1 as it is...

**Robert Taylor** · 2nd February 2011, 19:39

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

That Canadian guy, Andrew Nelson, thought he'd won before he got here and never really got going in my mind. (did well at Wanganui as a newcomer albeit)
Horror stories you mention, I saw Dan lose a couple of times; did you see the one on the front straight? Stoud was in front and had a moment himself, Stauffers lucky that he avoided him and in doing so his front end tucked in a little and brought on his own dramas, while he was the one that got all the 'press' it didn't start by his actions.
Also what was the go with Bugdens back end coming on to the back straight, losing all that drive, in particular, and Stroud could see on the road his tyre was had it too.
Wasn't he on fancy suspension?
Give Stauffer his dues, he's spent many years on Ohlins and is happy with the modified stock set up on the R1 as it is...

Simple, they only had Dunlop compounds for much warmer conditions and the Dunlops are very fickle and a lot less forgiving than Pirellis if the compounds are not right for the conditions. Irrespective of suspension. Nick Cole would concur with that as would other Dunlop users. By and large the bikes that worked the best and consistently on that day were on Pirellis and that was true of the 600 Supersport and Superstock. I personally dont believe Dunlop have any advantage any more, but having said that If Robbie had suitable compounds on that day it may well have been 2 emphatic wins for him. He had more ultimate race pace than anyone in spite of the ''incorrect'' tyres. His pace lessened approx 10 laps in as he felt the effects on his beaten up body but also as his tyres started to go off.
I also believe Dan would be faster with well sorted top shelf aftermarket suspension, beit Ohlins, Penske, WP or K-Tech.
When on Sunday morning it was increasingly apparent that the day was not going to be so warm and I thought ''this is going to be a Pirelli day''. I went and told Andrew that he was going to win both races, and if you ask him he will concur.
As so often happens in racing you can go from hero to zero in half a day or less. If Dan wins some races then congratulations to him in advance, I give him his due with 100% conviction, on his sheer ability.
If the modified stock stuff is ''perfectly good'' then why doesnt the assembler contact the likes of Jorge Lorenzo to tell him the error of his ways?

**jellywrestler** · 2nd February 2011, 20:16

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

If Robbie had suitable compounds on that day it may well have been 2 emphatic wins for him.

So you're telling that Bugden, 3 times NZ SUPERBIKE CHAMPION doesn't have the experience to have suitable tyres on hand????

**jellywrestler** · 2nd February 2011, 20:21

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

If the modified stock stuff is ''perfectly good'' then why doesnt the assembler contact the likes of Jorge Lorenzo to tell him the error of his ways?

I don't recall saying "perfectly good" simply said he was happy with it.

**jellywrestler** · 2nd February 2011, 20:29

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

His pace lessened approx 10 laps in as he felt the effects on his beaten up body

Kudos to him for riding so hard after breaking his leg only weeks ago, must have been sore not as sore as I was once. I was circumsised at birth and couldn't walk for 13 months!