That's it, I am quitting smoking!

[Edbear]

One of the most powerful incentives from my point of view is the attitude of the tobacco companies. You know that they are only interested in making money and it is in their interests to have as many people smoking as possible.

They couldn't care less about your life or health, whether you get any or all of the probable cancers, such as mouth, throat, lung, or if you die a horrible painful death. All you are to them is a sucker meal ticket, and I would refuse to add to their coffers, (sic.), for that reason alone!

They produce a consumable that is addictive and guaranteed to result directly in the death of half of those who use it and make miserable the lives of many more, and they know that full well. They are murderers by definition of murder in law and you are their target.

[aprilia_RS250]

I stopped smoking after I got my bike. Being a 2 stroke smoker my need for smoke was definitely more than full filled especially when the smell is of 2 stroke racing oil. mmmm getting a headrush right now.

[Kickaha]

They are murderers by definition of murder in law and you are their target.

I see it more as assisted suicide

[Edbear]

I see it more as assisted suicide

Usually the "assistant" in suicide hasn't deliberately set out to make the person want to commit suicide in the first place, like gone around targetting normal people, (of any age), to tempt/lure/cajole, or in any way possible, influence them to want to commit suicide in one of the most painful and debilitating ways they could, just to make money...

[Kickaha]

Usually the "assistant" in suicide hasn't deliberately set out to make the person want to commit suicide in the first place, like gone around targetting normal people, (of any age), to tempt/lure/cajole, or in any way possible, influence them to want to commit suicide in one of the most painful and debilitating ways they could, just to make money...

If you started smoking 40+ years ago I might agree, anytime within the last couple of decades the dangers have been well know and publicised

But of course it is always someone else fault

[Edbear]

If you started smoking 40+ years ago I might agree, anytime within the last couple of decades the dangers have been well know and publicised

But of course it is always someone else fault

I take your point of course, anyone who knowingly does something detrimental to themselves can only blame themselves, however that certainly doesn't take any responsibility away from the manufacturers and marketers of a known carcinogen who seek to influence people to smoke and promote their deadly product, targetting less well educated people, and that includes the young in the Western world as well as those in third-world countries.

We also need to bolster education in the younger ones who are prone to peer pressure and have yet to master the ability to stand up and refuse to be drawn along into behaviour that is not good.

[Slyer]

Can't blame the companies for being evil, capitalism makes them this way.

[Mom]

I'm thinking about starting. Had one of my flatmate's and wondered why don't I do this again?

I call bullshit I had a puff of one, months ago, it tasted like I had licked an ashtray...


Oh look, I said puff, not drag

[Slyer]

I call bullshit I had a puff of one, months ago, it tasted like I had licked an ashtray...


Oh look, I said puff, not drag

Bullshit is right.
Nicotine has quite the hit for a non-smoker. I'll have one on the very odd occasion at parties. Not silly enough to smoke full time.

[Usarka]

I take your point of course, anyone who knowingly does something detrimental to themselves can only blame themselves, however that certainly doesn't take any responsibility away from the manufacturers and marketers of a known carcinogen who seek to influence people to smoke and promote their deadly product, targetting less well educated people, and that includes the young in the Western world as well as those in third-world countries.

Any examples of recent tobacco marketing here in NZ?

Boooooooooooooze is fair more widely maraaketed hic. But it's ciool if you can does a yuardie at the 21st egh!


PS - If you give up smoking your a right knob-end for having even just one cig after you've stopped. It's too easy to get hooked again. It's like getting herpes from a crusty hooker and going back to k'rd the next week pissed out of your skull at 3am. DAMHIK.

[Edbear]

Any examples of recent tobacco marketing here in NZ?

Boooooooooooooze is fair more widely maraaketed hic. But it's ciool if you can does a yuardie at the 21st egh!


PS - If you give up smoking your a right knob-end for having even just one cig after you've stopped. It's too easy to get hooked again. It's like getting herpes from a crusty hooker and going back to k'rd the next week pissed out of your skull at 3am. DAMHIK.

That's not the choice of the tobacco companies, they'd be advertising everywhere and anywhere if they were allowed to, the lack is because of Govt. restrictions. Back in the '60's and '70's, it seemed the majority smoked, now smokers are by far the minority, so progress has been made here, but many other countries are way behind in education and legislation and the tobacco companies are much freer to push their products there.

Drinking is the next big issue in NZ and it's going to be a long hard battle to change people's attitudes...

[hellokitty]

Drinking is the next big issue in NZ and it's going to be a long hard battle to change people's attitudes...

How do you change people's attitude to alcohol?
It is so hard when people think you are weird because you don't drink - they say "oh but you do drugs right?" When you say "No, I don't do drugs either".
I don't drink or do drugs but ride a motorbike - so apparently I am living dangerously?

You try to set a good example to the kids, but when the other parent tells them that you are a weirdo because you don't drink, whereas they drink (a lot) every chance they get.

[Edbear]

How do you change people's attitude to alcohol?
It is so hard when people think you are weird because you don't drink - they say "oh but you do drugs right?" When you say "No, I don't do drugs either".
I don't drink or do drugs but ride a motorbike - so apparently I am living dangerously?

You try to set a good example to the kids, but when the other parent tells them that you are a weirdo because you don't drink, whereas they drink (a lot) every chance they get.

Yup! It's a real battle and all I can say is keep going! Children aren't fools and they will note the difference. Few children like seeing their Mum or Dad blotto and being stupid, and if you are the sober, stable one who's more fun to be around without the effects of alcohol, they will more likely listen to you.

Biggest problem in the family situation is where the kids are "encouraged" to drink from an early age and become alcohol dependent themselves. Treat them with respect and encourage them to make choices based on reason and knowledge and they will respond accordingly. Especially be a hearing ear for them and listen to their concerns, be someone they can confide in and you'll get a long way.