Do MNZ officials have to conform to rules?

[nodrog:Me]

be VERY careful what you wish for Sloan - the official who didnt know what he was doing is a MULTIPLE national champion, over a 35 year career, and could still teach YOU a few tricks, boy. Hand wringing whinging doesnt change the fact that YOU and NC screwed up .... the rules so carefully spelt out in the Supplimentary regs YOU signed to say you'd read and UNDERSTOOD, were applied fairly AND safely by an Official with more experience in the eye of his ..... than you've got in your whole illustrious career.

No wonder you're having tyre trouble if they'd been cooking for two hours ........

Move on - pick up your dummy from where you've spit it, dust it off, and prove your ability at Teretonga

Gee whiz! Who shit in your Weeties this morning?

Fanny.

[wayne]

the ring on the left..............................

[scott411]

be VERY careful what you wish for Sloan - the official who didnt know what he was doing is a MULTIPLE national champion, over a 35 year career, and could still teach YOU a few tricks, boy. Hand wringing whinging doesnt change the fact that YOU and NC screwed up .... the rules so carefully spelt out in the Supplimentary regs YOU signed to say you'd read and UNDERSTOOD, were applied fairly AND safely by an Official with more experience in the eye of his ..... than you've got in your whole illustrious career.

No wonder you're having tyre trouble if they'd been cooking for two hours ........

Move on - pick up your dummy from where you've spit it, dust it off, and prove your ability at Teretonga

although i have been guilty of this myself as well i think you may have jumped in to defend your guys a bit hard here,

here is the rule from the sup reg's,

It is the riders responsibility to keep aware of race times and schedule. Any timetable
shown is an indication only and may vary. If a competitor misses the start warm-up lap/s,
with permission of the relevant official they may be allowed to start that pending race from
the pit lane a) once the last machine on track has past the exit of pit lane or b)once the
last machine on the start grid has crossed the start line marked on the track after the start
lights have turned green or the start flag dropped as may be the case at some circuits.
Race track pit lane exit confiqurations are different at each circuit. So variations
may occur. Listern to the organisers at briefing and also if in any doubt ask

the marshal was allowed to hold him up until it was safe to enter, but not because his tyres were cold, (which Choppa told him why he was being held)

to ask Choppa's question, yes MNZ and club officals are subject to the code of conduct the same as the rider, although if they are not an MNZ member it has proved difficult in the past to sanction somebody who is not a member for breaking it,

[jellywrestler]

innuendo

I thought an Innuendo was an Italian suppository????

[budda]

I have a feeling Buddha was just saying shut up Chop and concentrate on racing

well done Choppa, bullseye and man enough to say so !

Unlike the rest of the ill-informed, I've spoken to the naughty Official ( and I can only presume you are referring to the event organiser, the guy who was pushing your green partner-in-crime backwards down the chute at the time )

What he SAID was that you couldnt go out from where you were, you had to move back because your transponders were setting off the TIMING system. As you know, the procedure for starting from pitlane at Levels was included in the info you all received, so no surprises that you were held until it was SAFE to let you out.

As for the "innuendo", what I didnt spell out was that it would appear at first reading that you have admitted in print that you both disobeyed the instructions of the Official - let me make it clear for all those with comprehension deficit disorder,: that would not be a clever thing to do, now would it ?

Like I said, lets get on with the rest of the Series, starting with the best track in the country ........ and dont forget, when you get to the end of the straight, TURN LEFT !!!!!!!!

[budda]

Just reading this thread with interest. One of Choppa's points in his 1st post was an official inter-mating he could not go out on cold tyres. As far as I'm aware, no mention of that is made in the rule book. Just because the official may have an illustrious career (prob most of it tyre warmers were not around) does not always make them authorities on policing the current rules. I remember turning up to the nats at Bay Park back in the day on Strouds ex Angel OWO1 with floating brembos, only to have a elderly scrutineer try to ban the bike for loose brake discs. Multi champs
Tony Rees and Jason Mac told him they were all good, he just ignored them, until finally Robert Holden told him to pull his head in as they were supposed to be like that. My point is only that long careers and practical racing experience do not always make for a crack official. Don't get me wrong, these officials are much needed and appreciated, they are just not always the leading authority on current rules and how to implement them.

As for tyres being on warmers for two hours, warmers have had thermostats for many years to keep the tyres and optimal temps. Best practice is to put your tyres through as few heat cycles as possible. (acknowledged, a point a bit moot since at nats level the tyres most often just get used for one cycle)

Interesting that a person of your advanced vintage would know enough about warmers etc to be able to pass comment - judging by the bikes you've had in the past, you may well have run into ( probably literally ) this guy, as he was a leading racer on most of them .

As for the warmers - as a guy with a passing interest in tyres and their performance, I note that almost all the current warmers, with or without thermostat, are set too high. And leaving them on for that length of time is not in the best interest of tyre longevity .... there is more to the black art of tyre performance than heat cycles, as I'm sure you know .............

[sugilite:Me]

Interesting that a person of your advanced vintage would know enough about warmers etc to be able to pass comment - judging by the bikes you've had in the past, you may well have run into ( probably literally ) this guy, as he was a leading racer on most of them .

As for the warmers - as a guy with a passing interest in tyres and their performance, I note that almost all the current warmers, with or without thermostat, are set too high. And leaving them on for that length of time is not in the best interest of tyre longevity .... there is more to the black art of tyre performance than heat cycles, as I'm sure you know .............

Aha, one entry form download later and I know who your talking about, funnily enough, we were always in different classes. Advanced vintage? I prefer old cunt haha.

I was merely commenting on why a rider may want to keep tyres on warmers for that length of time, rather than offer up a full thesis on race tyres. Though I have emailed the tyre warmer manufacturers to let them know a deity on the internet "knows" they have their thermostats set to high.

[gixerracer]

well done Choppa, bullseye and man enough to say so !

Unlike the rest of the ill-informed, I've spoken to the naughty Official ( and I can only presume you are referring to the event organiser, the guy who was pushing your green partner-in-crime backwards down the chute at the time )

What he SAID was that you couldnt go out from where you were, you had to move back because your transponders were setting off the TIMING system. As you know, the procedure for starting from pitlane at Levels was included in the info you all received, so no surprises that you were held until it was SAFE to let you out.

As for the "innuendo", what I didnt spell out was that it would appear at first reading that you have admitted in print that you both disobeyed the instructions of the Official - let me make it clear for all those with comprehension deficit disorder,: that would not be a clever thing to do, now would it ?

Like I said, lets get on with the rest of the Series, starting with the best track in the country ........ and dont forget, when you get to the end of the straight, TURN LEFT !!!!!!!!

And please you dont forget which lap the white flag needs to go out

[brads]

well done Choppa, bullseye and man enough to say so !

Unlike the rest of the ill-informed, I've spoken to the naughty Official ( and I can only presume you are referring to the event organiser, the guy who was pushing your green partner-in-crime backwards down the chute at the time )

What he SAID was that you couldnt go out from where you were, you had to move back because your transponders were setting off the TIMING system. As you know, the procedure for starting from pitlane at Levels was included in the info you all received, so no surprises that you were held until it was SAFE to let you out.

As for the "innuendo", what I didnt spell out was that it would appear at first reading that you have admitted in print that you both disobeyed the instructions of the Official - let me make it clear for all those with comprehension deficit disorder,: that would not be a clever thing to do, now would it ?

Like I said, lets get on with the rest of the Series, starting with the best track in the country ........ and dont forget, when you get to the end of the straight, TURN LEFT !!!!!!!!

Shut up Budda

[budda]

Shut up Budda

at LAST, someone with some commonsense ........................
ROGER, WILCO ( sorry, couldnt help myself - you of all people know how it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

[oyster]

Chop. A textbook way top deal with such a problem. Today I was at Ruapuna helping out the many young boys and girls in Streetstock. This is their BIG WEEKEND of the year and for many their first nationals. Most have put in a huge effort to prepare for this. The word was coming to me of an offensive arrogant person going around in some supposed official capacity lecturing these young ones saying their front tyres weren't eligible for the class. Threats of "I will take your points off you if you go out on that tyre"
So I went straight to the Steward to see if he knew of this. He knew nothing but followed up and got back to me after calling a meeting with the MNZ President and others including the RR Commission chairman. It was Peter Ramage going around etc doing this disgusting bullying. So the Steward gets the rulebook out and tells Mr Ramage he is WRONG. He finally concedes this, but says the new rules coming out will be different. The obvious question "do you expect members to read the future and apply rules not yet made up?" Well it seems so.
So a happy ending but no apology and at least I could get about and reassure the worried ones it was just another case of some self appointed official with no authority getting his rule book wrong.
Well, a happy ending for now, I suspect this example of appalling leadership won't be the last.

[Shaun]

Chop. A textbook way top deal with such a problem. Today I was at Ruapuna helping out the many young boys and girls in Streetstock. This is their BIG WEEKEND of the year and for many their first nationals. Most have put in a huge effort to prepare for this. The word was coming to me of an offensive arrogant person going around in some supposed official capacity lecturing these young ones saying their front tyres weren't eligible for the class. Threats of "I will take your points off you if you go out on that tyre"
So I went straight to the Steward to see if he knew of this. He knew nothing but followed up and got back to me after calling a meeting with the MNZ President and others including the RR Commission chairman. It was Peter Ramage going around etc doing this disgusting bullying. So the Steward gets the rulebook out and tells Mr Ramage he is WRONG. He finally concedes this, but says the new rules coming out will be different. The obvious question "do you expect members to read the future and apply rules not yet made up?" Well it seems so.
So a happy ending but no apology and at least I could get about and reassure the worried ones it was just another case of some self appointed official with no authority getting his rule book wrong.
Well, a happy ending for now, I suspect this example of appalling leadership won't be the last.

Good on you for being Man enough to name names Pete/Oyster, we need this to happen to clean up the shit that is out there, hope that does not cost me my License, it was said with the best intent for our sport

[wharfy]

Good on you for me Man enough to name names Pete, we need this to happen to clean up the shit that is out there, hope that does not cost me my License, it was said with the best intent for our sport

The fact that loosing your license IS EVEN A CONSIDERATION when making a posting (that is not DEFAMATORY or UNTRUE) speaks VOLUMES about the state of our sport....

[Shaun]

The fact that loosing your license IS EVEN A CONSIDERATION when making a posting (that is not DEFAMATORY or UNTRUE) speaks VOLUMES about the state of our sport....

mmmmm, there are WANKERS involved in the problems being typed about here Kevin, and Potentually they could claim I have bought the sport into disrepute???? Yea Write What the hell have they done apart from make it more exspensive and screw with young up and comers

My Comment was a joke between Oyster and myself really, he was FINED a few years back for basically being Honest and watching my back.

[wharfy]

Ah well you know the old saying, "just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me ! "