Who is sick of all the Waitangi bullshit?

[Dean]

So just as a matter of interest, if there can be a NZ Maori team (and I don't mind either way, me being a proper foreigner!) why not a NZ Pakeha team (and yes, they might well be rubbish). Then presumably the best of both would get picked for the NZ national team.

I will fully endorse and support a nz English only team or a nz Scottish team, but making a team based on the colour of your skin? Not really my cup of tea, we dont call the NZ Maori 'the brown race' or only accept brown/black people. I dont think only Maori will find it racist....

The Pakeha that have founded New Zealand are all different races ie Scottish, Yugoslavian, English, French and etc. Personally I dont think theres enough consistency to call Pakeha English. The only consistency is there skin colour hence why racist.


Maybe its just me but I like to see myself as a Maori instead of part of the 'brown race', or maybe im not following correctly and I apologise in advance.

[Dean]

I say good on you for receiving Scholarships and awards but that just sounds like colonial patronization, of course you can achieve anything you put your mind to and the only thing holding you back is yourself, but if you have no role models or the only ones you see blame it all on somebody else what else would you do?

Your leaders have Maori so far stuck it the welfare trap and are quite happy to see you stay there as if you got on and succeeded it would prove them wrong and they would have to find some other BS to rant on about.
And how small does it make your people feel when your leaders say the only way you can succeeded is if you get more hand outs?

They are not my leaders I hate people like Hone Harawira. Unfortunately alot of people on here think most Maori follow leaders like him when even Maori tv wouldnt be present at last Waitangi because of the charging media.

I would like to claim we dont need any more handouts but Ive been brought up with two white parents in a rather upperclass suburban lifestyle. I do know there are Maori kids out there in a solid state of poverty but they wont have the chance to defend their case on here (obviously).

[BoristheBiter]

They are not my leaders I hate people like Hone Harawira. Unfortunately alot of people on here think most Maori follow leaders like him when even Maori tv wouldnt be present at last Waitangi because of the charging media.

I would like to claim we dont need any more handouts but Ive been brought up with two white parents in a rather upperclass suburban lifestyle. I do know there are Maori kids out there in a solid state of poverty but they wont have the chance to defend their case on here (obviously).

And that is the point in the end.
I work with a few other Maori that like you have just got out and did what was needed to get a head, some of them are staunch and some can't even speak Maori.

People like Hone are just divisive and play on the fears on both sides and the sooner him and his like disappear the better we all will be.
I started my early years in Kawerau and there was never any of this us, we, them, BS, it was all community, whether is was because everyone worked at the mill or not and i don't know what it's like now, but then it was for the best of the community.

We are New Zealanders, what our culture's are means very little when in the end of the day except to ourselves and we are too small a country to make this into the mountain it has become.

Do i have the answer? i wish i did, but schooling is free in NZ and everyone have the same opportunity's as everyone else, the only thing i see as the problem, and this is the same whether you are black, white or green with blue spots, is how you are encouraged at home.

[Kickaha]

Check out Stormfront then.

Anytime I need a good laugh I have a look at it what a bunch of retards, you'd fit right in

[scott411]

And that is the point in the end.
I work with a few other Maori that like you have just got out and did what was needed to get a head, some of them are staunch and some can't even speak Maori.

People like Hone are just divisive and play on the fears on both sides and the sooner him and his like disappear the better we all will be.
I started my early years in Kawerau and there was never any of this us, we, them, BS, it was all community, whether is was because everyone worked at the mill or not and i don't know what it's like now, but then it was for the best of the community.

We are New Zealanders, what our culture's are means very little when in the end of the day except to ourselves and we are too small a country to make this into the mountain it has become.

Do i have the answer? i wish i did, but schooling is free in NZ and everyone have the same opportunity's as everyone else, the only thing i see as the problem, and this is the same whether you are black, white or green with blue spots, is how you are encouraged at home.

x 2 to this, awesome post,

you go to any small town, or any rugby club. or any drinking establishment in the country and you will see races getting on fine, if you take the extremes from both sides, (the Harawera's on one side, and the national front on the other) and things look bad,

[oldrider]

x 2 to this, awesome post,

you go to any small town, or any rugby club. or any drinking establishment in the country and you will see races getting on fine, if you take the extremes from both sides, (the Harawera's on one side, and the national front on the other) and things look bad,

Correct .... but you missed out the most devious ingredient in that mix ... the bloody media that continually inflame those two extremes at "our expense" and all because they (the media) have nothing else sensational to report!

The media won't go away, it is their collective rice bowl, it's what they do!

[scott411]

agree 100%, i think the media drive for the latest sensation to sell papers is getting worse every year, balanced reporting has given into sensation reporting,

[oneofsix]

Correct .... but you missed out the most devious ingredient in that mix ... the bloody media that continually inflame those two extremes at "our expense" and all because they (the media) have nothing else sensational to report!

The media won't go away, it is their collective rice bowl, it's what they do!

We make the news, we don't report the news
True once they have something to stir but they didn't invent the Waitangi BS, they just stir it along.
I come from a small town where there weren't enough brown skins to make an under class so it had to be whites. Difference is whities can't claim treaty treats so knew the only way up was by their own boot straps. To the extent where i remember one person discovering enough maori in their blood to get a preferencial place at uni and considering it cheating if they couldn't do it on their own merit.
The maori were held back, they now have equal opportunity to better themselves and many do and have done better than a lot of other NZers.

[R-Soul]

They are not my leaders I hate people like Hone Harawira. Unfortunately alot of people on here think most Maori follow leaders like him when even Maori tv wouldnt be present at last Waitangi because of the charging media.

I would like to claim we dont need any more handouts but Ive been brought up with two white parents in a rather upperclass suburban lifestyle. I do know there are Maori kids out there in a solid state of poverty but they wont have the chance to defend their case on here (obviously).

ther are a lot of New Zealanders in general that live in poverty - not just Maori. The idea that there are those clamouring for preferential treatment because of their ethnicity is just wrong. I am not say ing that we should not all be doing our bit and paying taxes and paying for them to be elevated in status. I am just saying that we - and the government- should be doing our bit equally for everyone - as equals in a single nation.

Sure,-reverse the past injustices where they were real racist injustices - but then it ends and we get on as equals. Not equals and Maori.

[R-Soul]

the only thing i see as the problem, and this is the same whether you are black, white or green with blue spots, is how you are encouraged at home.

... and the general attitude of the role models around those kids.

[R-Soul]

At teh end of teh day there will be some from all cultures - Maori, Asian, Pakeha, Saffas- that have bad attitudes, and who will still do nothing for themselves despite being given all the opportunity in the world.

These types should not be encouraged by handouts or pity - they should be scorned and ridiculed until they get their act together. the only thing that they should be given is opportunity to help themselves.

I was amazed in London. I had come from a country where there just weren't any jobs. and begging was very common because of it - and it was not becasue there was lack of effort on the part of the beggars.

In London, there were jobs posted on every other corner, and yet there were still beggars. I kept quiet about it , wondering that perhaps the people begging ahd special circumstances. But the one Kiwi mate of mine pretty much said it all when we walked past a beggar, who asked us for coin, and he said "Get a fuckin' job mate". The same thing applies here.

[avgas]

"Get a fuckin' job mate". The same thing applies here.

There are actually studies that state those without Jobs, generally will never achieve anything due to lack of purpose.
If we made it non-PC for beggars......they would become restricted like smoking.

But for that to happen you would have to get rid of benefits first.

I personally think that people need jobs before any of this happens. However I know of one city in NZ that will need a few thousand people with brooms and shovels right now. Why doesn't NZ govt conscript the unemployed to work?

[R-Soul]

There are actually studies that state those without Jobs, generally will never achieve anything due to lack of purpose.
If we made it non-PC for beggars......they would become restricted like smoking.

But for that to happen you would have to get rid of benefits first.

I personally think that people need jobs before any of this happens. However I know of one city in NZ that will need a few thousand people with brooms and shovels right now. Why doesn't NZ govt conscript the unemployed to work?

brooms and shovels? more like cranes and dozers... poor buggers..

[Banditbandit]

However I know of one city in NZ that will need a few thousand people with brooms and shovels right now. Why doesn't NZ govt conscript the unemployed to work?

This young man gets a job in a factory. On his first day he turns up in his new suit and tie. The boss takes him to the back of the factory, hands him a broom and says; "Start sweeping."

The young man is horrified. He turns to the boss and says; "Don't you realise I've just spent four years at University. I have a Bachelor of Business Studies with first class honours?"

"Oh, I'm terribly sorry." replies the boss. "Here." He takes the broom from the young man's hand and makes sweepinmg motions. "You use this tool this way!"

[oldrider]

Anyone notice that the earthquake in Christchurch was quite universal, it shook the shit out of everyone!

One one country, one people, one fucking earthquake!

Is mother nature trying to tell us something here? your neighbour!

There is plenty of good spirit being shown in the aftermath anyway, makes me proud to be a New Zealander.