Time for a new class of racing?

[johan]

Cheers for that cowboyz.
I thought it was about that lap time, it has been that for at least 10 to 15 years (or longer), yet the times in vic club formula classes have been steadily dropping for all that time, 5 years back, doing a 10 pretty much guaranteed you a podium, bout 10 years ago it was 12's and now you better be doing 8's. Maybe the solution is to simply move the clubmans time down to say a 1:16. Thats about 115% of a F1 time. Currently, 1:18's are the realm of the backmarkers in F1. coming from clubmans and being able to do a 1:16 at manfield will put you just around mid pack, maybe a bit further back, but not much.

I don't think VMCC's Clubmans class is a championship class, meaning no points are counted.
So if you're of competitive nature, you obviously want to move out from clubmans as soon as the club let you do so.

Just because lap records drop, I don't think clubmans cut off times should drop. Clubmans is the introduction class and should be kept to reasonable laptimes. Beginners are always beginners, even if the machines are getting more capable for each year, in my opinion.

Also, passing or being passed is a part of the race, so I don't think that should put anyone off to enter a class. But I have to admit, enter the same grid as Stroud or the like, you know in the back of your head they are lapping you sooner or later. Fortunately, the quick guys have the experience to pass cleanly, you're in good hands.

[cowboyz]

I don't think VMCC's Clubmans class is a championship class, meaning no points are counted.
So if you're of competitive nature, you obviously want to move out from clubmans as soon as the club let you do so.

Just because lap records drop, I don't think clubmans cut off times should drop. Clubmans is the introduction class and should be kept to reasonable laptimes. Beginners are always beginners, even if the machines are getting more capable for each year, in my opinion.

Also, passing or being passed is a part of the race, so I don't think that should put anyone off to enter a class. But I have to admit, enter the same grid as Stroud or the like, you know in the back of your head they are lapping you sooner or later. Fortunately, the quick guys have the experience to pass cleanly, you're in good hands.

i have been on the track with sherriffs on a trackday. its really insane. the guy is sooo frikken fast. I dont mind being passed really.. well not by that calibre. its actually more comfortable than passing some people in the med group on a trackday. clumbmans is not a championship class but they keep points for shits and giggles really.

[sugilite:Me]

I don't think VMCC's Clubmans class is a championship class, meaning no points are counted.
So if you're of competitive nature, you obviously want to move out from clubmans as soon as the club let you do so.

Just because lap records drop, I don't think clubmans cut off times should drop. Clubmans is the introduction class and should be kept to reasonable laptimes. Beginners are always beginners, even if the machines are getting more capable for each year, in my opinion.

I'd have to disagree with you there, I feel that to come from winning clubmans to back of mid pack in F1 is a ideal place to be to learn a thing or two.

When the 1:18 point was set, the bikes would of been slower and not handled anything like the more modern bikes that have come since, so I don't see a good reason to keep the cut off point static for like 15 - 20 + years! Especially if it encourages more people to race, and I'm sure the formula boys don't really need a bunch of easy beats in their class, do they??? I feel a 1:16.5 would be good, but no slower than that. I did a 1:15 in my 2nd race meet ever on a production slabbie GSXR way back in 87...so it's not that fast.

And yes, clubmans certainly do get points awarded and I'm sure if you could look into the psyche of the top 5, it prob does mean something to them.
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1720982

[johan]

I'd have to disagree with you there, I feel that to come from winning clubmans to back of mid pack in F1 is a ideal place to be to learn a thing or two.

When the 1:18 point was set, the bikes would of been slower and not handled anything like the more modern bikes that have come since, so I don't see a good reason to keep the cut off point static for like 15 - 20 + years! Especially if it encourages more people to race, and I'm sure the formula boys don't really need a bunch of easy beats in their class, do they??? I feel a 1:16.5 would be good, but no slower than that. I did a 1:15 in my 2nd race meet ever on a production slabbie GSXR way back in 87...so it's not that fast.

And yes, clubmans certainly do get points awarded and I'm sure if you could look into the psyche of the top 5, it prob does mean something to them.
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1720982

Some good points there and no doubt the best way of getting faster is to ride with a faster class!

I guess my concern was more about keeping 'faster' riders in clubmans, where you have completely new beginners trying to get their head around racing mixed with, as you said, mid pack F1 riders, instead of promoting them to next 'real' class.

Even if the bikes gets faster and more capable, the human brain is constant, or at least evolving more slowly than a Gixxer between production years

The VMCC entry form said:
"Commencing from the 2008 season Clubmans is no longer a championship class. No championship points will be awarded to riders."

Implying no points will be tracked between rounds. Obviously mylaps keeps the records on the site and I agree it's exiting to following the points between the rounds!

cheers

[koba]

Cheers for that cowboyz.
I thought it was about that lap time, it has been that for at least 10 to 15 years (or longer), yet the times in vic club formula classes have been steadily dropping for all that time, 5 years back, doing a 10 pretty much guaranteed you a podium, bout 10 years ago it was 12's and now you better be doing 8's. Maybe the solution is to simply move the clubmans time down to say a 1:16. Thats about 115% of a F1 time. Currently, 1:18's are the realm of the backmarkers in F1. coming from clubmans and being able to do a 1:16 at manfield will put you just around mid pack, maybe a bit further back, but not much.

Smart man.