Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[raftn]

........................I so have the munchies now.

[scissorhands]

You have every right to keep trying to change the law, but you're beating a drum few want to listen to.

The lawmakers don't place a lot of weight on the opinions of those who are disrespecting of the law in general and are more on the fringes of society than involved in a positive way.

Have a think about your attitude to society and the law in general and ask yourself if you should be taken seriously.

So you would rather your neighbours kid was criminalised? His life somewhat ruined?

My attitude to society is fine, I am a good person. I protest many injustices like factory farming, minimum wage. I have a social conscience, and recognise when the law is out of step with the people, their rights, including that of animals.

Alcohol, excessive meat consumption, pollution, poor food, is more damaging to the precious society you mention, than 8-15% of the population enjoying cannabis instead of booze.

Not everyone will start using cannabis when its decriminalized. In fact, less users may eventuate if good education was employed

[scissorhands]

Dumb fuckers ... that will achieve nothing except get a few people arrested .. and maybe some TV publicity ... Oh yeah .. and a few potheads will feel very courageous for smoking in public .. . and feel they have righteously stood up for a cause they believe in ...

Dumb fuckers ....

What I don't understand is the reaction here to these idots protesting a stupid cause, blocking the streets and causing diruption over a stupid cause ... If it was a Maori protest about Maori issues the reaction in this forum would be very different ...

Aren't Pakeha ashamed of these idiots ?

What the hell!!

[Edbear]

So you would rather your neighbours kid was criminalised? His life somewhat ruined?

My attitude to society is fine, I am a good person. I protest many injustices like factory farming, minimum wage. I have a social conscience, and recognise when the law is out of step with the people, their rights, including that of animals.

Alcohol, excessive meat consumption, pollution, poor food, is more damaging to the precious society you mention, than 8-15% of the population enjoying cannabis instead of booze.

Not everyone will start using cannabis when its decriminalized. In fact, less users may eventuate if good education was employed

One of the key questions addressed in considering whether to change the law is "Why?" This is asked not only in the case of criminal conviction but why does this person or group want the law changed? Why do you smoke Cannabis, a known health hazard with only one purpose in the form it is in? That is to alter mind and mood. There are no positive effects on the human body from this substance without it being processed to extract the medical benefit of pain relief at which time of course it has no mind-altering or carcinogenic properties.

[Scuba_Steve]

One of the key questions addressed in considering whether to change the law is "Why?" This is asked not only in the case of criminal conviction but why does this person or group want the law changed? Why do you smoke Cannabis, a known health hazard with only one purpose in the form it is in? That is to alter mind and mood. There are no positive effects on the human body from this substance without it being processed to extract the medical benefit of pain relief at which time of course it has no mind-altering or carcinogenic properties.

See I'm not a user myself but I do believe we should all have the right to fuck up our own lives if the risks are known like tobacco & just like tobacco we could tax da shit out of it people are gonna do it regardless might as well bring in some cash off it. thats my view on legalizing it anyways

[scissorhands]

ummmm okay whatever. I'm unwilling to argue further and will leave this here

[lone_slayer]

I personally belive cannabis should be legalised and sold like cigerettes (heavly taxed) But iam also a firm beliver that ciggeretts and alcohol should not be sold in our supermarkets or in case of cigerettes the dairy or petrol station etc. I belive if you limit the sale to these substances to alcohol stores or pubs (R 18 type venus with a special liscene) the consumption of these product would drop drastically and the policing of underage people with this stuff will diminish. Think of how many people would stop smoking if they couldnt get it with their groceries or petrol..

[Edbear]

See I'm not a user myself but I do believe we should all have the right to fuck up our own lives if the risks are known like tobacco & just like tobacco we could tax da shit out of it people are gonna do it regardless might as well bring in some cash off it. thats my view on legalizing it anyways

Oh, certainly, everyone has the inalienable right to stuff themselves up even knowing the consequences, trouble is that when they do, they expect society to help them and spend large sums of money on them. Would they be so keen if they knew that they would receive nothing to alleviate the consequences they have brought upon themselves?

What if a drunk or stoned driver/rider caused an accident and the Ambulance service only came to the aid of the innocent parties, leaving the illegal driver/rider to suffer and bleed on the side of the road? No ACC, no Doc, no hospital, no Social Welfare benefit and if they did survive, arrest and prosecution?

[Dave Lobster]

So you would rather your neighbours kid was criminalised? His life somewhat ruined?

Yes. Of course. If he's chosen to break the law, why not?
No different to breaking other laws that 'yoofs' break. Criminal damage, breaking and entering, etc.

[MisterD]

One of the key questions addressed in considering whether to change the law is "Why?" This is asked not only in the case of criminal conviction but why does this person or group want the law changed?

Because it does no harm to anyone except themselves and the law is (or should only be) there to protect people from others.

Make it legal to own a couple of plants but keep sale and distribution illegal IMO...

[scissorhands]

Yes. Of course. If he's chosen to break the law, why not?
No different to breaking other laws that 'yoofs' break. Criminal damage, breaking and entering, etc.

Dude, wake up. All his friends use cannabis. They smoke it after footy training in the carpark then go back in the clubhouse and drink with cops in their team....then go home to their wives and families, then go to work in the morning....

The myth of stoners out robbing you is false, they are usually too stoned or selling buds for easy money. And even if it wernt, removing all drug prohibition would reduce the need to steal, (and grow for profit) and give better access to treatment for P users and junkies.

Fact is, addiction services seldom see stoners coming in. But plenty of alcoholics in need of help

[Dave Lobster]

Dude, wake up. All his friends use cannabis.

If all his friends daub their name, with paint, all over my fence, they're still criminals. Merely because his friends all do it is no reason for it to be legal.

[Edbear]

Because it does no harm to anyone except themselves and the law is (or should only be) there to protect people from others.

Make it legal to own a couple of plants but keep sale and distribution illegal IMO...

Is it only harming themselves? It is clear that like alcohol, cannabis is detrimental to one's senses and driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, definitely is placing others at risk.

My problem with both is the reason why people drink and do drugs. It's not to get healthy and help other people, is it? That's what I was meaning. The lawmakers consider why the person wants to smoke cannabis and the answer will never result in a sympathetic hearing.

[avgas]

I was reading this, and was like wooow man.....





................what were we talking about again?

[MisterD]

Is it only harming themselves? It is clear that like alcohol, cannabis is detrimental to one's senses and driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, definitely is placing others at risk.

So, like alcohol, you make it illegal to drive under the influence.

My problem with both is the reason why people drink and do drugs. It's not to get healthy and help other people, is it? That's what I was meaning. The lawmakers consider why the person wants to smoke cannabis and the answer will never result in a sympathetic hearing.

So you want to legislate against human nature then? That's the problem with "lawmakers" they're always looking for more ways to interfere by creating new laws. We should put a constitutional limit on the number of laws and only allow them to make new ones if they first remove some that are already on the books.