Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[Brett]

Have not had weed since Friday night. The last 3 weeks, I wait till after 9pm if I do

But I suppose that sort of thing is unbelievable to you, huh?

All stoners are obnoxious, useless people, huh?

Who's the real anti social here, ruining NZ?

I suppose you believe in an Arian ideal and that gays are sick? Who's attitude is causing the most harm? Why cant you accept others have different ways? You actively make worse for those unfortunates at the bottom of the ladder. Talk about unfair oppression
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Wow...you are inferring a hell of a lot from one post. You know absolutely nothing about me other than that I am not pro-legalisation of weed and yet you make the comments above re: Arian views and anti-homosexuality? Pull your head out of your arse.

I never said any of the shit you seem to be telling me that I did. I never said that stoners are "obnoxious useless people". I simply believe that drugs create problems that outweigh any benefit that they may bring.

[Brett]

There, fixed that for you. Alcohol is a legal poison, that taken in moderation can be quite enjoyable. However, when consumed in larger quantities it can cause a number of changes in human behaviour, mostly with a negative result on society. Examples include instances of drunk driving, physical assaults, sexual assaults, theft, damage to property - all issues NZ faces on a daily basis generated from alcohol. Prolonged excessive consumption can lead to obesity, liver failure, mental issues and other ill-effects.

You can argue that drugs are bad for society all day long, and I'd mostly agree with you, but don't for one minute think alcohol isn't one of those drugs.

I agree with 100% of what you have posted. First post was badly worded in respect to alcohol.

[scissorhands]

I simply believe that drugs create problems that outweigh any benefit that they may bring.

Alcohol much?

That could be said about politicians too, or hyperpowerful sports bikes if you want to get really zen. Surfing, rugby, pet ownership, wanking online.

We all still do it, unless your a idealistic fundamentalist weaner and live in a bullshit lined ivory tower

And......prohibition? Does prohibition create more problems than benefits?

Educate the masses and save NZ fucking billions per year.

Check the expiry date on your Victorian prudishness...........



'Dame Judi Dench, Sir Richard Branson, and Sting have joined an ex-drugs minister and three former chief constables in calling for the decriminalisation of the possession of all drugs.

The high-profile celebrities together with leading lawyers, academics, artists and politicians have signed an open letter to David Cameron to mark this week's 40th anniversary of the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act. The letter, published in a full-page advertisement in Thursday's Guardian, calls for a "swift and transparent" review of the effectiveness of current drugs policies.

Its signatories say that all the past 40 years has produced is a rapid growth in illicit drug use in Britain, and significant harm caused by the application of the criminal law to the personal use and possession of all drugs.'



Tomorrow a report from a group of world leaders that includes former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, former U.S. secretary of state George Shultz, and former U.S. Fed chairman Paul Volcker will call for an end to the war on drugs and for a move toward legalization and regulation.

The Weekly was told Virgin’s Richard Branson, former Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former Swiss President Ruth Dreifuss, and former Columbian President César Gaviria would be on-hand in New York for the report’s unveiling.

According to a statement from Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) the report calls the war on drugs “a failure” and encourages “nations to pursue legalizing and regulating drugs as a way to put a stop the the violence inherent in the illegal drug market.”

[ducatilover]

All said and done NOT ONE of the people who I've personally known who has defined their life with a substance or liquid has ever amounted to anything. I've watched them all fall by the way, crash bikes, wreck marriages and couse hurt and harm all around.

This is one of the problems, the chronic users. I know a few people who smoke in moderation and have successful careers and are not "drug fucked" as per se. On the other side of the fence, I know many who are chronic smokers, they are screwed. Quite a few of them are thieves also (Whether or not that's related to the pot I cannot say) and all of the chronic users I know suffer from paranoia and some tasty schizophrenia-esque traits (I'm aware of these being a mental health caregiver and psych student blah blah)
So the question changes to; if we legalise it, how will we market/moderate it? And I still haven't heard and answer to why it should be legalised in the first place? I have seen many ill effects stem from marijuana use, the link to schizophrenia is a worry and because of a genetic predisposition to mental health disorders, namely depression and schizophrenia I will not smoke it, chances are, it will trigger something...
So, like alcohol and cigarettes, it IS a harmful substance. Not all the time, but, nor are cigarettes.... I can smoke cigarettes in private and not harm anyone except for myself and continue to try make myself a career in something useful, if I smoked pot, that wouldn't happen, same goes for alcoholism.

[mashman]

There was a doco on recently where a UK study using rats (no not politicians) where given cannabis at various stages of their development. Essentially too much too early on in the development of the rat left it more prone to psychological problems in later life... personally, i'm pretty content being fucked in the heed

[ducatilover]

personally, i'm pretty content being fucked in the heed

Me too, why make myself slower when I can be a mad dribbling fucker who can speak properly?

[scissorhands]

Quite a few of them are thieves also (Whether or not that's related to the pot I cannot say) and all of the chronic users I know suffer from paranoia and some tasty schizophrenia-esque traits (I'm aware of these being a mental health caregiver and psych student blah blah)


the link to schizophrenia is a worry and because of a genetic predisposition to mental health disorders, namely depression and schizophrenia I will not smoke it, chances are

continue to try make myself a career in something useful, if I smoked pot, that wouldn't happen, same goes for alcoholism.

Schizophrenia rates have remained stable since the 60's, cannabis use has sky-rocketed. Fail

Your career and cannabis would only clash if you are an abusive addict, or because of prohibition and your boss. Both can be easily changed. Get a boss who likes a puff!

When I lived amongst cannabis legalization areas in Sumatra, Thailand, Tahiti and parts of Australia, the vibe and everything, is just the same as with drinking.

All of your valid points can be attributed to alcohol, junk food, excessive wanking, and riding Hondas

Most of my old friends who are moderate users at parties/surfing/weekends, never steal, are on benefits, poor characters, never.

Most of the weed activists I know are neurodiverse use medicinally/daily for depression, anxiety etc and are trying to change an unfair law. I dont know any thief's there either. Their myriad psychological expressions would be there, weed or no weed...........

Most of the stoners on the bottom rungs of societies wonderful ladder, that do steal, are ratbags, etc etc etc..........they would be ratbags, weed or no weed

Fail

[Banditbandit]

Schizophrenia rates have remained stable since the 60's, cannabis use has sky-rocketed. Fail

Your career and cannabis would only clash if you are an abusive addict, or because of prohibition and your boss. Both can be easily changed. Get a boss who likes a puff!

When I lived amongst cannabis legalization areas in Sumatra, Thailand, Tahiti and parts of Australia, the vibe and everything, is just the same as with drinking.

All of your valid points can be attributed to alcohol, junk food, excessive wanking, and riding Hondas

Some of us have been Honda users in the past - but we recovered ...

[ducatilover]

Schizophrenia rates have remained stable since the 60's, cannabis use has sky-rocketed. Fail

Your career and cannabis would only clash if you are an abusive addict, or because of prohibition and your boss. Both can be easily changed. Get a boss who likes a puff!

When I lived amongst cannabis legalization areas in Sumatra, Thailand, Tahiti and parts of Australia, the vibe and everything, is just the same as with drinking.

All of your valid points can be attributed to alcohol, junk food, excessive wanking, and riding Hondas

Those "rates" mean nothing, they are like the domestic violence rates.
There can be an issue where marijuana smokers end up with schizophrenia due to the genetic predisposition to it, the marijuana triggers it, like my mother for instance, she's fucked now.
I am not saying it happens to all people, that would be bull shit and naive, but, it can and does happen to people and the majority of them are unaware of what can happen. Just like ecstasy and first time user deaths, plenty of them happening.

I just want to know, if it is to be legalised, how is it going to be distributed and what positive effects will it have on society? I'd like to hear from users and non users too. Not just users because that's biased, just like me saying cigarettes and motorbikes should stay legal.

Edit; I recovered form Hondas, not wanking yet.

[scissorhands]

like my mother for instance, she's fucked now.


I just want to know, if it is to be legalised, how is it going to be distributed and what positive effects will it have on society? I'd like to hear from users and non users too. Not just users because that's biased, just like me saying cigarettes and motorbikes should stay legal.

Lots of legal things will fuck you quicker and better than cannabis.

Try poisoning your liver on excessive grog, chips and pizza. Add magic mushrooms, acid, P, cleaning chemical exposure, petrochemical exposure, diesel fuel........ aaargh fuck it........ I'm not here to be a lion tamer with a whip and a chair.....

Plenty of fucked up people who never came near weed. Plenty of people who have, with no mental health issues whatsoever.

In fact, cannabis has a protective effect on your health in the troubled modern world. Same as a couple of nice stouts every now and then

Hops(beer) and cannabis have a similar effect on humans, and are related plants that can be grafted.

[ducatilover]

Lots of legal things will fuck you quicker and better than cannabis.

Try poisoning your liver on excessive grog, chips and pizza. Add magic mushrooms, acid, P, cleaning chemical exposure, petrochemical exposure, diesel fuel........ aaargh fuck it........ I'm not here to be a lion tamer with a whip and a chair.....

Plenty of fucked up people who never came near weed. Plenty of people who have, with no mental health issues whatsoever.

In fact, cannabis has a protective effect on your health in the troubled modern world. Same as a couple of nice stouts every now and then

Hops(beer) and cannabis have a similar effect on humans, and are related plants that can be grafted.

These are not reasons to legalise it, are you able to supply a peer reviewed article or report on the benefits of marijuana? I'd like to read one. I am not here to argue that other legal things can fuck you up, that stupid inhalant "rush" for example and of course alcohol is just as bad, if not worse in some cases.
I'm not going to compare it, that's boring, I want valid reasons for legalising it I'm not exactly for, or, against it either.
I personally think there's no problem with Bob and Betty having a puff in their home, but, I also think better education will have to be provided if it is legalised.

[oneofsix]

These are not reasons to legalise it, are you able to supply a peer reviewed article or report on the benefits of marijuana? I'd like to read one. I am not here to argue that other legal things can fuck you up, that stupid inhalant "rush" for example and of course alcohol is just as bad, if not worse in some cases.
I'm not going to compare it, that's boring, I want valid reasons for legalising it I'm not exactly for, or, against it either.
I personally think there's no problem with Bob and Betty having a puff in their home, but, I also think better education will have to be provided if it is legalised.

No fact just opinion here. First I will declare I am a non-user, I think you are a fuktard if you are a user.
I think legalizing it should be investigated. It's benefits haven't been fully explored because it was so heavily outlawed in the first place. One of the reasons it was heavily outlawed, to the extent that it wasn't even researched medicinally is because the cotton growers were afraid of it. It was only mid-last century it was outlawed. If legalized education, research, regulation, and taxation can all be used. Police resources can be reused, actually that is a worry as govt. is likely to see an excuse for reduction in resources - bugger.
Police the users who are out of self control because of the stuff not Bert and Betty. Users should only be allowed to use in environment where non-users will NOT be affected, home use or special smoke houses.

[scissorhands]

These are not reasons to legalise it, are you able to supply a peer reviewed article or report on the benefits of marijuana? I'd like to read one. I am not here to argue that other legal things can fuck you up, that stupid inhalant "rush" for example and of course alcohol is just as bad, if not worse in some cases.
I'm not going to compare it, that's boring, I want valid reasons for legalising it I'm not exactly for, or, against it either.
I personally think there's no problem with Bob and Betty having a puff in their home, but, I also think better education will have to be provided if it is legalised.

this link has many studies

https://www.greenpassion.org/index.p...-list-jan2010/

[ducatilover]

No fact just opinion here. First I will declare I am a non-user, I think you are a fuktard if you are a user.
I think legalizing it should be investigated. It's benefits haven't been fully explored because it was so heavily outlawed in the first place. One of the reasons it was heavily outlawed, to the extent that it wasn't even researched medicinally is because the cotton growers were afraid of it. It was only mid-last century it was outlawed. If legalized education, research, regulation, and taxation can all be used. Police resources can be reused, actually that is a worry as govt. is likely to see an excuse for reduction in resources - bugger.
Police the users who are out of self control because of the stuff not Bert and Betty. Users should only be allowed to use in environment where non-users will NOT be affected, home use or special smoke houses.

I can agree with you on all points there.

sorry I dont have time to spend convincing you sorry

this link has many studies

https://www.greenpassion.org/index.p...-list-jan2010/

Some very interesting reading there, thank you, will be going through that for a while.

[Usarka]

Some very interesting reading there, thank you, will be going through that for a while.

It'll take me a while too. I'm soooo stoned right now.