Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[Edbear]

You forgot that THC is a bronchial dialator, which is the opposite of tobacco.

That will never alter the fact that smoke inhalation is toxic in any amount.

So you're not inherently against cannabis use?

I see recreational use for stress relief as a health benefit, as stress is a killer.

I believe there are probable medical benefits to cannabis that are already being investigated. What this thread is about, is that people want to smoke it for the effects it has on the mind and mood and they are using any kind of spurious argument they can to justify getting stoned. Let's be honest here.

It looks like Ed took my advice & has gone for a bicycle ride...

Just about to take Grandson and wife out to the beach. Happy day yesterday, our second Grandson was born and all are well.

[superman]

That will never alter the fact that smoke inhalation is toxic in any amount.

Meh, brownies hit you so much better anyway.

[Madness]

Happy day yesterday, our second Grandson was born and all are well.

That's awesome, Ed! Congratulations.

I'll have a spot in your Grandson's honour.

[SMOKEU]

Meh, brownies hit you so much better anyway.

I can't say I've ever tried them.

[haydes55]

Again you miss the point with irrelevant arguments. Do you use a vapouriser? No, you smoke it and you cannot argue that smoke is not toxic and carcinogenic.

Any amount of smoke is. Sure, the more you smoke the greater the chance, that's bleeding obvious but that's not what I said, is it?

Actually made a vaporiser out of a light bulb and straws.

it is the way it is delivered that is inherently harmful

That is exactly what you said, you are saying the main harm in weed (behind the mind altering effects) is the way it is delivered. How can you justify weed being so bad when the only harm is 70 time lower than smoking cigarettes? And if that is such a concern then are you opposed to vaporisers being used to smoke weed?

Marijuana has been smoked for centuries by people like Indians. It's only been prohibited in recent society. As far as I can see, without valid reasoning aswell.

[superman]

I can't say I've ever tried them.

But... nom nom nom?

Having never tried them till I was 18 or so I guzzled down a good 3-4 at about 11:30pm. Went to sleep, woke up at 6am... JESUS CHRIST.

I've never been that high since. The smokos definitely relax, the brownies just fuck you up.

[jrandom]

You're right, I got nothin', fuck you, waaa

Heh.

As I suspected.

Edit: Ed, if you're going to claim to be well-informed when in reality all that you're doing is parroting conservative mass-media pap while implying that you read professional medical literature, you must expect to have your nose rubbed in it.

[mashman]

I believe there are probable medical benefits to cannabis that are already being investigated. What this thread is about, is that people want to smoke it for the effects it has on the mind and mood and they are using any kind of spurious argument they can to justify getting stoned. Let's be honest here.

Finally being investigated eh . Wonder what took them so long? The spurious arguments all have merit in my eyes, as pretty much any and every argument on here acknowledges the health risk associated with smoking. As for altering mind and mood, music and colour do the same thing, as does the company we keep, subject matter of a conversation etc... and if getting stoned is about changing mind and mood then I'd say we're already conditioned to being "stoned" in one form or another. Do you revile anti-depressants is a similar way? I know the benefits I get from cannabis use, I'm also fully aware of the potential mental dangers... and if a side-effect of those benefits is being stoned, then so be it. Yes people like getting stoned and they use all sorts of substances to do it... as far as the "stoners" are concerned, they're choosing the lesser evil of the substances available... and I tend to agree with them.

[haydes55]

http://www.marijuana.com/myths/4

have a read, these guys actually read the marijuana use studies and experiments that the USA govt. ignore because the results don't support prohibition.

In the end marijuana may slightly harm the user (far less dangerous than trying to ride a push bike on the side of the road), however no third party is harmed in any way, marijuana is smoked in private, no second hand smoke, users don't get aggressive. Users don't cost the medical system any more money than if they didn't smoke it. What if the government decided that eating cheese was to be made illegal, would you support that? Eating cheese causes heart disease, obesity, cholesterol problems and costs the tax payers money in medical bills. Cheese is legal because it is each persons responsibility to to choose how much and when they eat cheese, they don't cause harm to anyone else but themselves. I would seriously find it harder to argue to legalise cheese than to legalise marijuana. Cheese causes more deaths than shark attacks! haha

[mashman]

so why not encourage weed as opposed to harder drugs and alcohol.

coz they'd have to let people out of jail for related offences and those people would claim damages and they'd end up with streets full of people having fun and they'd lose huge revenues on alcohol sales and it would promote free thinking and they would have to cut police numbers drastically when crime dropped and they'd have to admit that they were wrong and that they had been a bunch of ignorant fuckwits for the majority of their lives... probably a few more, but I think it's more the fuckwit perspective side of things that they're worried about as that would question their character.

[SMOKEU]

http://www.marijuana.com/myths/4

have a read, these guys actually read the marijuana use studies and experiments that the USA govt. ignore because the results don't support prohibition.

In the end marijuana may slightly harm the user (far less dangerous than trying to ride a push bike on the side of the road), however no third party is harmed in any way, marijuana is smoked in private, no second hand smoke, users don't get aggressive. Users don't cost the medical system any more money than if they didn't smoke it. What if the government decided that eating cheese was to be made illegal, would you support that? Eating cheese causes heart disease, obesity, cholesterol problems and costs the tax payers money in medical bills. Cheese is legal because it is each persons responsibility to to choose how much and when they eat cheese, they don't cause harm to anyone else but themselves. I would seriously find it harder to argue to legalise cheese than to legalise marijuana. Cheese causes more deaths than shark attacks! haha

Plenty of people these days are too busy working to cook healthy food, so they feed their kids on KFC and other unhealthy takeways. Little kids don't know that eating KFC and deep fried fish and chips is unhealthy. Said little kids become fat from a young age, and find it very difficult to lose weight later on in life. Obesity kills many people in NZ and costs the taxpayers millions of $ for health care. Obese people are likely to suffer from problems such as sleep apnoea, diabetes, heart disease etc. All of which costs the tax payers a shitload of money. But there's nothing illegal about that.

[SMOKEU]

coz they'd have to let people out of jail for related offences and those people would claim damages and they'd end up with streets full of people having fun and they'd lose huge revenues on alcohol sales and it would promote free thinking and they would have to cut police numbers drastically when crime dropped and they'd have to admit that they were wrong and that they had been a bunch of ignorant fuckwits for the majority of their lives... probably a few more, but I think it's more the fuckwit perspective that they're worried about as that would question their character.

It's all about control. The jews want to control peoples lives, and they want to make criminals out of ordinary people. They want to stick their noses in everyones business just for the sake of it.

[puddytat]

Must be a statistic somwhere showing the "cost" of Dak to society in comparison to Obesity....Ohbeasty people dont even need weed to get the munchies. The smokers I know are generally on the lean side whereas all the TUBBIES are scoffing shite so maybe weed could also be a drug used to help all those fat persons ?

[Usarka]

I believe there are probable medical benefits to cannabis that are already being investigated. What this thread is about, is that people want to smoke it for the effects it has on the mind and mood and they are using any kind of spurious argument they can to justify getting stoned. Let's be honest here.

What's wrong with feeling good? Lot's of things affect the way you feel (for the better) - coffee, tea, chocolate, sugar, exercise as some examples all of which affect brain chemistry. Some people even find going to church to worship a mythical being makes them feel happy, calm and relaxed.

The only negative point about weed that you've made is that smoke is bad for you......

Do you use a vapouriser? No, you smoke it and you cannot argue that smoke is not toxic and carcinogenic.

Yes I do, with sanction from my quack. So what's your objection to me smoking weed?????

[mashman]

Must be a statistic somwhere showing the "cost" of Dak to society in comparison to Obesity....Ohbeasty people dont even need weed to get the munchies. The smokers I know are generally on the lean side whereas all the TUBBIES are scoffing shite so maybe weed could also be a drug used to help all those fat persons ?

It certainly kept my weight in check to the point where people I saw most days noticed the loss of weight. I guess us fatties will have to wait for a synthetic version that will have a list of side effects as long as your arm and will be as addictive as anti-depressants. Until then the health service will just have to groan under the strain.