Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[scumdog]

In your job I'm sure you'd rather deal with a car load of stoners who will probably be chilled out than a car load of angry drunk people who are looking for a fight. Now tell me how many 1D incidents do you come across when people smoke too much bud and then start beating others up?



Weed vs alcohol:

Is likely to cause users to become violent after consuming moderate to large quantities? Weed no, alcohol yes

Possible to overdose? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause organ failure among heavy users? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause users to make poor decisions, such as having unprotected secks with unfamiliar people or get into a car with a stranger? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause drivers to drive faster and more dangerously? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause users to injure themselves while under the influence? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is physically addictive? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause significant, permanent health damage in heavy users? Weed no, alcohol yes

Selective comparisons.



And been to plenty of 1Ds involving stoners whe stole the other halfs stash/stray shagged - all the usual alcohol related lifes problems etc - and shitload drink Woodstock and smoke before getting into a biffo...lots of them

Not many stoners I've met DON'T drink too...

BTW Not a rabid fan of alcohol, can take it or leave it.


So ban alcohol too I say...

[SMOKEU]

And been to plenty of 1Ds involving stoners whe stole the other halfs stash/stray shagged - all the usual alcohol related lifes problems etc - and shitload drink Woodstock and smoke before getting into a biffo...lots of them

If weed wasn't illegal, then it wouldn't be such a valuable commodity. I'm sure you don't often see people beating up their wife for eating the last piece of cheese from the fridge or eating the last slice of bread. Or maybe you do.

[Bikemad]

started reading this thread..........amusing for a while...........but hey......in the end get over it............different strokes for different folks........if you want to live my life .........pay my stinkin mortgage or fuck off..........enough said......carry on

[ducatilover]

Weed vs alcohol: Is not relevant.

If our health was a big interest to the govt. wombles, we wouldn't be allowed alcohol, tobacco, McD's etc.
The fact that alcohol is legal, has nothing to do with why weed should be, that's like Timmy saying "Mummy, Johnny gets a lolly, why not me?"

[SMOKEU]

If our health was a big interest to the govt. wombles, we wouldn't be allowed alcohol, tobacco, McD's etc.
The fact that alcohol is legal, has nothing to do with why weed should be, that's like Timmy saying "Mummy, Johnny gets a lolly, why not me?"

I'm just trying to say that most of the anti pot brigade are nothing but hypocrites because most of them drink alcohol.

If our health was in the best interests of the government, then motorbikes will be banned immediately. Just look at how many people fuck themselves up binning bikes. If health was my primary concern I'd be better off smoking pot and playing computer games than to take the bike out for a sober ride.

[mashman]

The fact that alcohol is legal, has nothing to do with why weed should be, that's like Timmy saying "Mummy, Johnny gets a lolly, why not me?"

That's like Timmy's Mum saying "Because the lolly you want contains E472e"... how would you defend alcohol's legal status if it was questioned on health grounds or damage to society? Is this not why weed is illegal?

[mashman]

If health was my primary concern I'd be better off smoking pot and playing computer games than to take the bike out for a sober ride.

ACCtually ... "Released as part of Safety NZ Week, the statistics show there were 621 deaths in homes last year due to accidents, averaging just under 12 per week.

The deaths are part of the 632,920 injuries in the home in 2009, down from 664,334 in 2008, with many due to falls and trips." you stand a better chance on the road

[ducatilover]

I'm just trying to say that most of the anti pot brigade are nothing but hypocrites because most of them drink alcohol.

If our health was in the best interests of the government, then motorbikes will be banned immediately. Just look at how many people fuck themselves up binning bikes. If health was my primary concern I'd be better off smoking pot and playing computer games than to take the bike out for a sober ride.

I myself am not anti, I can post up points on either side.
You're right about bikes.
But, more cars crash every year, let's ban them too. And planes. And Hone Harawira.
If you smoked pot/played computer games, how are you contributing to the economy? Or is that a pastime thing?
And, will you get fat from eating and not exercising?

That's like Timmy's Mum saying "Because the lolly you want contains E472e"... how would you defend alcohol's legal status if it was questioned on health grounds or damage to society? Is this not why weed is illegal?

I'm not going to defend alcohol, the taxation is the only reason why it's legal IMHO.
It's all good to have in moderation, but I've fucked some fat bitches on alcohol, it's dangerous.
A wee bit of red wine is good for you though, that's about it isn't it?

[SMOKEU]

Well there's no reason why we should ride motorbikes then. Cars are much safer, so why do we put ourselves at unnecessary risk? You've got 4 wheel stability and a nice metal cage to protect you. It's a hell of a lot safer than riding a bike, so if you want to get from A to B then you shouldn't be doing it on a motorbike. After all, a car does pretty much the same job as a bike in terms of transport. My chain could snap at 100kmh, locking up the back wheel. Or a drunk driver could drive on the wrong side of the road and crash into me. I could hit a patch of gravel mid corner and bin it. I could suffer a tyre blowout at high speed. BUT, I know the risks, and I'm prepared to accept it.

I think we should all give up motorcycling immediately because it poses an unnecessary risk to ourselves.

Oh, wait, we do it for something called "fun". For the same reason that pot smokers toke up. If we are allowed to operate these highly dangerous machines that kill thousands of bikers world wide each year, then why can't an adult legally choose to smoke a bit of bud? No one has ever died from it.

[mashman]

I'm not going to defend alcohol, the taxation is the only reason why it's legal IMHO.
It's all good to have in moderation, but I've fucked some fat bitches on alcohol, it's dangerous.
A wee bit of red wine is good for you though, that's about it isn't it?

Are you a police person .
... nuffink wrong with that
Fooked if I know to be honest... it's all probably good in some way or other, in moderation that is.

Shame we aren't educated enough to take the decision to ruin our health a little more seriously.

[SMOKEU]

I myself am not anti, I can post up points on either side.
You're right about bikes.
But, more cars crash every year, let's ban them too. And planes. And Hone Harawira.
If you smoked pot/played computer games, how are you contributing to the economy? Or is that a pastime thing?
And, will you get fat from eating and not exercising?


I'm not going to defend alcohol, the taxation is the only reason why it's legal IMHO.
It's all good to have in moderation, but I've fucked some fat bitches on alcohol, it's dangerous.
A wee bit of red wine is good for you though, that's about it isn't it?

More cars crash than bikes every year in NZ because there are more cars on the roads than bikes. Also, the average distance travelled by car is much higher in NZ than for bikes. If I'm hooning around on my bike, then I'm not necessarily contributing to the economy. The petrol cost I pay for the bike, vehicle licensing, tyres, oil etc all does contribute to the economy. But what if I fuck myself up and cost the health system thousands of $ to patch me up? Then all those ACC levys I've been paying won't even cover half the hospital costs if I have a decent crash.
If I sit at home all day eating and not exercising then I will never become fat.

There's no reason that I can think of why weed can't be taxed as well.

[SMOKEU]

I'm not going to defend alcohol, the taxation is the only reason why it's legal IMHO.
It's all good to have in moderation, but I've fucked some fat bitches on alcohol, it's dangerous.
A wee bit of red wine is good for you though, that's about it isn't it?

Oh, and about the tax system, you're right that alcohol does give the government a lot of tax revenue. But what about all the harm it causes? All the police time wasted by drunks fighting, all the road crashes due to drunk drivers, all the hospital costs for people who get beaten up. What about the social cost of alcohol abuse? The social cost of alcohol harm is immeasurable.

[ducatilover]

Well there's no reason why we should ride motorbikes then. Cars are much safer, so why do we put ourselves at unnecessary risk? You've got 4 wheel stability and a nice metal cage to protect you. It's a hell of a lot safer than riding a bike, so if you want to get from A to B then you shouldn't be doing it on a motorbike. After all, a car does pretty much the same job as a bike in terms of transport. My chain could snap at 100kmh, locking up the back wheel. Or a drunk driver could drive on the wrong side of the road and crash into me. I could hit a patch of gravel mid corner and bin it. I could suffer a tyre blowout at high speed. BUT, I know the risks, and I'm prepared to accept it.

I think we should all give up motorcycling immediately because it poses an unnecessary risk to ourselves.

Oh, wait, we do it for something called "fun". For the same reason that pot smokers toke up. If we are allowed to operate these highly dangerous machines that kill thousands of bikers world wide each year, then why can't an adult legally choose to smoke a bit of bud? No one has ever died from it.

Yup, let's all give it up I'll dispose of that now unused Gixxer for you mate.
More people are dying in cars, ergo you're more likely to die in a car.

Are you a police person .
... nuffink wrong with that
Fooked if I know to be honest... it's all probably good in some way or other, in moderation that is.

Shame we aren't educated enough to take the decision to ruin our health a little more seriously.

What the fuck is education? I thought KB is and was all there is?

More cars crash than bikes every year in NZ because there are more cars on the roads than bikes. Also, the average distance travelled by car is much higher in NZ than for bikes. If I'm hooning around on my bike, then I'm not necessarily contributing to the economy. The petrol cost I pay for the bike, vehicle licensing, tyres, oil etc all does contribute to the economy. But what if I fuck myself up and cost the health system thousands of $ to patch me up? Then all those ACC levys I've been paying won't even cover half the hospital costs if I have a decent crash.
If I sit at home all day eating and not exercising then I will never become fat.

There's no reason that I can think of why weed can't be taxed as well.

More cars crash because more people crash them, because car drivers are more likely to crash.
I can use twisted logic like 99% of pro (or anti) pot arguments.

Why won't you become fat? You should sell your secret.

Oh, and about the tax system, you're right that alcohol does give the government a lot of tax revenue. But what about all the harm it causes? All the police time wasted by drunks fighting, all the road crashes due to drunk drivers, all the hospital costs for people who get beaten up. What about the social cost of alcohol abuse? The social cost of alcohol harm is immeasurable.

Alcohol and tobacco are brilliant money makers, governments really aren't there to help the sheeple are they? Come on...do they really care about the health and well being of anyone? If so, why didn't I get any govt. support when my pelvis, ribs, sternum etc were broken in '05?
Had to get back to work, because I walked in to WINZ to get help

Jeez, I bet if I smoked pot through that I wouldn't have ulcers from the medically PC drugs lol

[haydes55]

A free government is one in which restricts persons actions, only to prevent harm or infringement of rights, unto other persons. The individual has the right to do what they so choose, free of prosecution if their actions cause no harm to others or restrict another persons rights. The individual has the right to harm themselves (smoking, drinking, eating fatty foods and piercings etc.), as long as said harm will not create an impact upon another persons life.

The occasional marijuana over user may end up permanently, mentally impaired to a varied degree. However, how is this different from most products available today which all have occasional side effects and disabilities; Anti-depressants, fatty foods, alcohol and miscellaneous carcinogens (petrol, cleaning products etc.) to name a few. Could even go as far as to say stairs, trampolines, push bikes, motorbikes, plastic shopping bags, the list goes on. Alot of products will cause disabilities in a small number of users, these products are known to have dangers and the people using said products does so knowingly and has freedom of choice as to use them or not.

What I'm trying to say is for the majority, marijuana isn't harmful. The few who are harmed by it have been harmed after they knew the risks, yet they made the choice to use marijuana, therefore they live with the consequences of their actions. Alcohol has a tax to cover the social costs of drinking, marijuana could have a tax to cover the care of the few who are impaired as a result.

Another point I haven't seen yet is currently 70,000 people every day are using marijuana. The marijuana they consume may be laced with harder drugs, cut with other chemicals or even tainted with harmful products. Making marijuana legal would provide the government the ability to regulate quality and purity of it. Being legal would also promote outdoor growing and less hydroponics which create stronger dosages of THC. Cleaner, weaker marijuana would cut down the number of people who would experience permanent side effects.

[mashman]

More people are dying in cars, ergo you're more likely to die in a car.
I can use twisted logic like 99% of pro (or anti) pot arguments.

More cars crash because more people crash them, because car drivers are more likely to crash.

very very true indeed... finally some facts

What the fuck is education? I thought KB is and was all there is?

WTF was I thinking my apologies