Too many classes at National Championship?

[sidecar bob]

I also like the way Steve Bron goes as hard as he can for as long as he can, with out him out there, there would be NO SIDECARS this year mate and that would be fukin SAD

Without him out there i personally know of five sidecars that would be there.

[Shaun]

Duuude!! im sure i saw you at the race meetings, bu it must have been your twin brother.
Pissing off on our grunter that was getting its ares kicked down the front straight of Ruapuna, The backstraight of levels & anywhwere else that talent wasnt a factor!!
Its not that grunty. Yep, we falsified dyno charts by doing runs in low gears to pshyce out the opposition, it was all part of the game.

Guess it must have been the drugs I was on at the time eh

[Shaun]

Without him out there i personally know of five sidecars that would be there.

sorry to turn this into a Negative then, but those 5 must be total pathetic Juvinille wankers then

When the flag drops the bullshit stops, and NO one has to talk to each other, or are you all gay

[Kevin G]

OK I sat and read 14 pages of comments, insults and general wipe.

The board of MNZ is discussing the idea of starting a riders forum at the conference this year in Palmy North, the idea is the riders meet, discuss/argue and then attend the Road Race Workshop with ONE voice (not everyone throwing in 2 cents worth) the voice or spokesperson of the competitors. The voice could put forward such things as safety concerns, how the nationals is run, class rules etc.

The other idea to try and make it worthwhile for racers to actually attend the conference and be part of the solution is to have interesting and relevant speakers on such topics as suspension, nutrition etc etc that would be relevant to NATIONAL level racers.
Last year only 1 National level road racer attended the conference!

Get involved in been part of the solution rather than throwing stones from the sidelines.

How about the NZRRC been 6-7 rounds but spread over 7-8 months so as to ease the burden on cash flow, time from work, time away from home/family, recovery time when good times go bad, major bike repairs etc etc. I know ultimately it will cost a few more $$ but its more affordable spread out and easier on everyone.
Use (assuming the clubs are OK with it) the existing big club meets like the Vic club winter series final round, AMCC club champs, King of Levels, King of Ruapuna, etc etc and have the other club classes as support classes, most people riding nationals would not give a continental about winter series points unless they are trying to pad out a CV.

Lets face it the idea of summer racing has not really worked that well this year!

Resume the bitch fight.

Regards
Kevin Goddard

[Shaun]

Today 16:52 #199 Kevin G



OK I sat and read 14 pages of comments, insults and general wipe.

# Thanks for takeing the time Kevin

The board of MNZ is discussing the idea of starting a riders forum at the conference this year in Palmy North, the idea is the riders meet, discuss/argue and then attend the Road Race Workshop with ONE voice (not everyone throwing in 2 cents worth) the voice or spokesperson of the competitors. The voice could put forward such things as safety concerns, how the nationals is run, class rules etc.

# When is the conference this year in Palmeston North, and how would you suggest all the NZ License holders choose the 1 Rep?

The other idea to try and make it worthwhile for racers to actually attend the conference and be part of the solution is to have interesting and relevant speakers on such topics as suspension, nutrition etc etc that would be relevant to NATIONAL level racers.
Last year only 1 National level road racer attended the conference!

# Please elaberate on the point of having other racers there if they cannot voice there points, and who would be covering the costs of having these speakers there, would it come out of MNZ funds? Which I feal would be money miss spent?

Get involved in been part of the solution rather than throwing stones from the sidelines.

# Agree to this

How about the NZRRC been 6-7 rounds but spread over 7-8 months so as to ease the burden on cash flow, time from work, time away from home/family, recovery time when good times go bad, major bike repairs etc etc. I know ultimately it will cost a few more $$ but its more affordable spread out and easier on everyone.
Use (assuming the clubs are OK with it) the existing big club meets like the Vic club winter series final round, AMCC club champs, King of Levels, King of Ruapuna, etc etc and have the other club classes as support classes, most people riding nationals would not give a continental about winter series points unless they are trying to pad out a CV.

# I think that is an exellent idea

Lets face it the idea of summer racing has not really worked that well this year!

Resume the bitch fight.

# It will start soon

Regards
Kevin Goddard

[Kickaha]

Without him out there i personally know of five sidecars that would be there.

Those five need their arses kicked if all that's stopping them going racing is their dislike of one person, they're certainly not acting in the best interests of the sport

Maybe they should sell their sidecars and take up knitting, although the way it's going there will be no market because there wont be any racing for them

When the flag drops the bullshit stops, and NO one has to talk to each other, or are you all gay

All the gay guys race 1000 and 600 classes

OK I sat and read 14 pages of comments, insults and general wipe.

Only 14 pages before you got here? we're certainly slipping

[jellywrestler]

Those five need their arses kicked if all that's stopping them going racing is their dislike of one person, they're certainly not acting in the best interests of the sport

Can you imagine the squealing when they poke each other with their knitting needles?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

I don't think there is any doubt about which classes are considered 'the premier classes' and I think there is room for a range of support classes. Without them the event would prove too costly for the premier classes to enter.
Even if they had three races each it would be a very short meeting without support classes.
Being New Zealand I'm not convinced there would be a sponsor out there to subsidise their entry's for a whole series.

I would support the idea of a North and South National culminating in a final National round between the top however many of each.

Must say 'we' are pretty good at slagging each other off and piss poor at trying to improve things.

Having a voice at the MNZ AGM would be embarrassing if this how it would be conducted.

[Kevin G]

Hi.
Sorry Shaun I did not explain that very well. The idea is that all the riders meet in what would be a Road Race riders workshop. 1st point would be to elect or appoint a spokesperson. The group then tries to agree on the best path forward and then this is taken to the Road Race workshop. At the road race workshop the voice of the collective riders forum would be the spokesperson.

Not sure how the spokesperson would be appointed or elected, I guess nominations could be put forward and then voted on. I would suggest a strong facilitator would be required as well to keep the meeting on track, suggest perhaps a MNZ life member could do this.

Does that make more sense?

Re the costs, the costs of the speakers etc is spread across all clubs as it is now with the existing conference, this is outlined in the MNZ constitution.

[sidecar bob]

sorry to turn this into a Negative then, but those 5 must be total pathetic Juvinille wankers then

When the flag drops the bullshit stops, and NO one has to talk to each other, or are you all gay

No, theyre not, & im not gay, although I thought most people were by now aware that I, for some time now, have been in a mutually benificial heterosexual relationship with the lovley Tracey of pink sidecar fame.
Unfortunately the bullshit dosent stop, so thats a factor.
Also, being the parent of two lovely young adults, ive observed children at play, & inexplicably, on occasions i have noticed that when a certain child enters the sandpit, the other children quietly one at a time, find somwhere else to play.
Im unsure what causes this to happen, but it is apparent from a very early age, possibly because that child wants all the toys, or to tell the other children how to play to best advantage themselves.
Somehow the play becomes not fun anymore with that paticular child, & everyone moves on.
I guess nothing changes as people become older, except for the type of play they engage in.
As for your gay "insult", i find that highly offensive, having been in a business partnership with a gay man that was the most moral & honest individual i have ever had the pleasure of being involved with.
Unfortunately he has since passed away.

[Shaun]

Hi.
Sorry Shaun I did not explain that very well. The idea is that all the riders meet in what would be a Road Race riders workshop. 1st point would be to elect or appoint a spokesperson. The group then tries to agree on the best path forward and then this is taken to the Road Race workshop. At the road race workshop the voice of the collective riders forum would be the spokesperson.


Kevin, you on here trying to help build/repair our sport is BRILLIANT mate


# Like that idea Kevin, constructive and productive, nealy a first for us mate

Not sure how the spokesperson would be appointed or elected, I guess nominations could be put forward and then voted on. I would suggest a strong facilitator would be required as well to keep the meeting on track, suggest perhaps a MNZ life member could do this.

# How about creating a questionare to hand out to all National riders at the next 2 rounds calling for nominations, and Majority wins?

Does that make more sense?

Re the costs, the costs of the speakers etc is spread across all clubs as it is now with the existing conference, this is outlined in the MNZ constitution.

I personally would like to see a Budget created for this plan, and then this plan dropped, and the budget that was allocated put towards the travel costs of all individuals takeing part in the plan re the 7 or 8 round champs.

Cheers

[Shaun]

No, theyre not, & im not gay, although I thought most people were by now aware that I, for some time now, have been in a mutually benificial heterosexual relationship with the lovley Tracey of pink sidecar fame.
Unfortunately the bullshit dosent stop, so thats a factor.
Also, being the parent of two lovely young adults, ive observed children at at play, & inexplicably, on occasions i have noticed that when a certain child enters the sandpit, the other children quietly one at a time, find somwhere else to play.
Im unsure what causes this to happen, but it is apparent from a very early age.
Somehow the play becomes not fun anymore with that paticular child, & everyone moves on.
I guess nothing changes as people become older, except for the type of play they engage in.
As for your gay "insult", i find that highly offensive, having been in a business partnership with a gay man that was the most moral & honest individual i have ever had the pleasure of being involved with.
Unfortunately he has since passed away.

O dear, shame you lost your sense of humour since you stopped SWINGING Bob

Carry on in the sand pit with the Kids then mate.

Bye for now

[sidecar bob]

O dear, shame you lost your sense of humour since you stopped SWINGING Bob

Carry on in the sand pit with the Kids then mate.

Bye for now

But i swung just this weekend been Trevor!! Two wins & two seconds.
Im not past it yet!!
Oh. . . and like i said, im not playing in the sandpit anymore, im playing with the nice kids on the climbing tower now.

[Kickaha]

having been in a business partnership with a gay man

Are you sure it was "only" a business partnership?

[Nonbeliever]

geez uz