Too many classes at National Championship?

[scott411]

Not really - somebody did - maybe Manawatu-Orion ?

Do you know ?

you were right the second time,

[k14]

Dude this is KB, I been since 2003 lol

Maybe Flippant and uninformed, but from a Marketing perspective please sell me the idea about watchin Buckets going around the tracks the nationals go.............................have a go !!! I doubt you will inspire me to come, frankly I couldnt imagine a more boring form of motorsport.

Sell a show, a real show something for Dad Mum and the Kids, make a spectacle, crowds will come and with it corporate interest, then money will come to the racers
and youre woes will be over my freind.

didnt I sponsor you something a while ago ?

Don't worry, as I said buckets are not a national class and don't want to be there, we're on the same page for that point!

Yep you helped me out a few years back, for which i was very grateful. I tried my best to give you value for your $$ but as is the case with bike racing in NZ it is nearly impossible to justify financially sponsoring even the best. Next to no tv coverage and bugger all spectators at the events. Unless the sponsor has some emotional attachment to the sport/rider then they would never in their right mind give stuff away for free.

I know that we could do better but there needs to be a lot of work to go into it and I don't see anyone putting their hand up. When I hear how much it costs to run a NZV8 for a season I wonder how on earth they manage it. The 600 and 1000 racing is every bit as good (if not better) from a spectators point of view but people prefer to watch the tin tops.

The first thing that needs to be worked out is what is the goal? Are we trying to get another NZ rider to MotoGP or WSBK? Or are we just trying to make the racing in NZ sustainable? So many different ways to go about it.

[DEATH_INC.]

As for classes, go and look at the championships around the world (bike racing only that is). They all have support classes of various descriptions.

Correct. SUPPORT classes, but not run at the expense of the premier classes. Imagine if wsbk dropped a race besause the bmw series need more time....not gonna happen. Or to fit another support class, again, it wouldn't happen...

some of the clubmans werent to far off your time mate, so if you are in the premium class and some clubmans riders are only marginally slower why should they get dropped from competing,

Simple, it's the nationals, clubmans is to get people started in racing, if they're that fast, they should be running the 'premier' classes.

[k14]

Correct. SUPPORT classes, but not run at the expense of the premier classes. Imagine if wsbk dropped a race besause the bmw series need more time....not gonna happen. Or to fit another support class, again, it wouldn't happen....

But no one has lost track time because the support classes are running! In fact when there is an issue with time the support classes are the first to have their races shortened or completely canned, as has happened on multiple occasions in the past. It has been running this way ever since I started racing and this is the first time I have heard any grumblings of the support classes taking up "valuable" track time for the "premier classes".

[DEATH_INC.]

But no one has lost track time because the support classes are running! In fact when there is an issue with time the support classes are the first to have their races shortened or completely canned, as has happened on multiple occasions in the past. It has been running this way ever since I started racing and this is the first time I have heard any grumblings of the support classes taking up "valuable" track time for the "premier classes".

I think He's growling about the fact that the 'premier' classes only get 2 short 20 min races each round, if you dropped one or two of the 'support' classes they could run longer/more races for the 'premier' classes...

[prettybillie]

You not got many fingers? There were seven sidecars at Timaru, occupying four rows.

Yeah but at the end of the day two of those chairs had riders that have never been on a chair before and another one that had not been on a chair for 20 years just so the chairs could get a grid.....is that really premier racing????? Is premier racing watching 3 complete novices just so there is a grid???? Not in my opinion!

[Kickaha]

I think He's growling about the fact that the 'premier' classes only get 2 short 20 min races each round, if you dropped one or two of the 'support' classes they could run longer/more races for the 'premier' classes...

If Biggles sped up a bit so he didn't get lapped his own race would be a bit longer

[Clivoris]

It would save a lot of wasted spectating if we just had the top 5 Superbikes and their riders. They could have 8 decent length races during the day with various excitements like stunt displays and cheerleaders between races. Jo Public doesn't want to see the boring guys outside the top 5.

[RDjase]

Yeah but at the end of the day two of those chairs had riders that have never been on a chair before and another one that had not been on a chair for 20 years just so the chairs could get a grid.....is that really premier racing????? Is premier racing watching 3 complete novices just so there is a grid???? Not in my opinion!

Clubmans Chairs and Clubmans Bikes on the grid together would be fun to watch

[Bren_chch]

my personal opinion is that along with the MX nationals and the Sx nationals, is as long as they are run by a committee they will continue to be average, until a series organinser, or a dreaded "promoter" is put in charge, and allowed to have a go at improving the series, and given the leeway to make some drastic changes then we will be destined to continue to have average series,

The motorcycling canterbury run events are AWESOME, looking forward to watching at the Ruapuna round!

[Bren_chch]

I have to agree Scotty. The attitude of (some) of the people that run the meetings is absolutely appalling. Its costs us riders tens of thousands of dollars to compete and the organisers have the attitude well we are not making any money so we dont give a f#$k how the meeting runs. If you dont like it go home and we are volunteers we cant be expected to do our jobs properly attitude is not right. I would have the same attitude if I were doing it out of the goodness of my heart and people starting winging as well so I dont really blame them id like to see them getting paid because no matter what the riders do to come at this game with a professional approach it doesnt change anything if the organisers are not professional.

So TRUE!

I like the old line... "Do you want to run this meeting" - if i had 50 cents for the amount of times i heard that, i'd have..... .... ..... $1.50!

Or another classic get out of jail free card... "so your putting your hand up to run this meeting!" - no i am not, you have ellected to run it so do it profesionally which is how you expect the riders to be.

once upon a time... I ate some tarmac at a street event when some oil got dropped, the flaggy on that corner didnt put his flag up to slow us down/ warn us dispite the crowd waving and shouting to the guy. When i spoke to him about it, he said "i'm a volunteer, fuck off!" - brilliant reply!

[Shaun]

my personal opinion is that along with the MX nationals and the Sx nationals, is as long as they are run by a committee they will continue to be average, until a series organinser, or a dreaded "promoter" is put in charge, and allowed to have a go at improving the series, and given the leeway to make some drastic changes then we will be destined to continue to have average series,

I contacted EVERY SINGLE Road race License holders a few years ago about this idea, and only got 30 odd replies, all agreed, but only 30 replies out of over 250 letters sent out.

Why is NZ racing so fucked, Because the riders are pathetic and do NOTHING to bring it into the 20th centenary themselves, and then there comes the Internet where every body posts shit, but does nothing Real, just sits at there comp wanking on and complaining Ho hum

[suzuki21]

I contacted EVERY SINGLE Road race License holders a few years ago about this idea, and only got 30 odd replies, all agreed, but only 30 replies out of over 250 letters sent out.

Why is NZ racing so fucked, Because the riders are pathetic and do NOTHING to bring it into the 20th centenary themselves, and then there comes the Internet where every body posts shit, but does nothing Real, just sits at there comp wanking on and complaining Ho hum

Fuck me, never thought I would see the day when I agree with something you said Shaun, have never really like leprechauns. Although posting on here you wouldnt have contacted all road racers.

For Drews benefit......

Regards,
Steve Sangster

[scott411]

I contacted EVERY SINGLE Road race License holders a few years ago about this idea, and only got 30 odd replies, all agreed, but only 30 replies out of over 250 letters sent out.

Why is NZ racing so fucked, Because the riders are pathetic and do NOTHING to bring it into the 20th centenary themselves, and then there comes the Internet where every body posts shit, but does nothing Real, just sits at there comp wanking on and complaining Ho hum

Shaun, you are 100% right, the main reason we have issues is because the majority of the riders simply do not give a fuck enough to do anything about it, this goes for dirt racers, and road racers,

the proof of this is the lack of votes that are received for the officers of MNZ officals, from memory it has never reached 10% of the liceinced members

[roadracingoldfart]

Some of you are mentioning the amount of rounds per Nationals Campaign.......
I said it before and i say it again, Give me feedback.
North Island champs series over 3 tracks , all classes
South Island champs over 3 tracks , all classes
New Zealand champs over 1 track for 2 days once a year.
Alternating every year between the NI and SI with a diff track every turn.
That way the cost would be less and if you only wanted to do the NZ champs the classes would be structured in a way the so called premier classes can have a domminant slice of the track time.
So called minor classes could get all the time they already do in the present format and there is still a NZ or NI or SI champ every year in every class.

Would it work and would it address the topic of this post thread ?????
I see it as the exact way the bloody rugby is presently run and that has worked for a while aye.

Paul.