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    Mr Goff and Mr Key, since you're planning to ask me to give you the top job...

    I want you both to be brutally honest with me. I know enough to realise that we're kind of in the shit, and if we carry on down the path we're on it will just get worse. That means I don't want tax cuts or tax free thresholds if we can't afford them (and I don't think we can). If I want more money, rather than you give it to me as I tax cut, I'd rather go and earn it, so I want you to look after the small and medium businesses ahead of the global corporations because they make up 99% of all businesses in NZ. Or I want you to make it easier to get new skills that actually mean something so I can get a better paid job. In fact, if it meant that it got us out of the shit I wouldn't mind a small tax increase. Like I said, if I need more money I'll go and earn it myself.

    And please don't cut services Mr Key. I know you think that's a great way to improve our economy, but it's not. All you do is increase the number of unemployed or encourage the best to leave for overseas - if you cut funding and make sweeping changes to a government department, who do you think is going to go? The most skilled and employable, or the "dead wood" who can't find work anywhere else? No, don't try and cut costs any more, focus instead on helping us to earn more money.

    A better way to improve the economy is to increase our earnings. We live a long way from anywhere and have a well educated and skilled workforce, so I'd be really impressed if you focussed on building the high tech sector. They contribute $2bn to our economy compared to dairy's $3.6bn and they have a fraction of the impact on our fragile environment. How about keeping our power companies and helping them to develop cleantech energy solutions we can sell for a fortune?

    And most importantly, look beyond the next election. You need to encourage sustainable business practices. Worldwide CEOs are realising that sustainable business is essential for survival, yet in this area we're a million miles behind our major trading partners and competitors - compare Wesfarmers with CRT or Kathmandu with Patagonia. The wealthier middle classes in Europe, the USA and even in China are making assessment of the sustainable business practices of suppliers an increasingly important part of the decision making process, so if we want them to buy our stuff, we need to have sustainable businesses. And all the evidence is that sustainability is not just essential for the planet's survival and for long term business viability, it makes sound economic sense in the short and medium term. Mr Key, you're an accountant - do the maths.

    Mr Key and Mr Goff, one of you will be the PM this November. Please let it be the one with the honesty, courage and vision to actually lead us into the future, not mire us down in the past.
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    An optimist on KB.....

    But seriously take a look at both political partys' websites and sadly there really is nothing there of interest but promises, promises and more empty promises....

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    This from the source (that i cannot disclose), on the day after Key ruled out a GST increase the other week, the IRD was directed to start gearing up for it in dec/jan immediately after the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    (a)I want you to make it easier to get new skills that actually mean something so I can get a better paid job.

    (b)building the high tech sector. They contribute $2bn to our economy compared to dairy's $3.6bn and they have a fraction of the impact on our fragile environment.

    (c)helping them to develop cleantech energy solutions we can sell for a fortune?

    (d)You need to encourage sustainable business practices.
    Looking at this, makes me wonder why we have a government at all, as all of the above is happening regardless whom gets in and what they do.
    You seemed to have put the polly's on some god like pedestal........saying they can changed these things. But they have changed, infact the govt contributions here are but a pin-prick as to what has changed these areas.

    a) What job? (seriously), as these things are already available

    b) Its built and growing, what we need is reinvestment from those who were "the starters", we have incubation centers setup by business groups - but the tech community has not returned the favors yet. We need tech incubation centers similar to Silicon Valleys. This will happen, and have nothing to do with govt.

    c) I seriously think you look at what the power co's are doing in association with many of the universities and businesses. I know for a fact Vector and Orion have patents out for their own in house designed technology.

    d) good luck learning about business today without having this shoved down your throat. Its only the "Old Boys" in NZ business today that aren't following these mantras. If you want to change this - become a share holder and try and kick them out. Govt can't do shit here.
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    a) What job? (seriously), as these things are already available
    There are jobs available for people with the right skills, and if we can improve our export performance the job market will grow.

    b) Its built and growing, what we need is reinvestment from those who were "the starters", we have incubation centers setup by business groups - but the tech community has not returned the favors yet. We need tech incubation centers similar to Silicon Valleys. This will happen, and have nothing to do with govt.
    I disagree. The universities are where a lot of the exciting and potentially profitable stuff comes from, yet they are facing decreasing funding, which means they need to import more commerce and law students from Asia. If I look at the thesis subjects from my fellow students, almost all of them are focussed on foreign problems which means nothing for NZ. I'm working on something that specifically impacts NZ businesses and when I've finished I'll have some answers that will help them become more profitable, but I am the minority.

    c) I seriously think you look at what the power co's are doing in association with many of the universities and businesses. I know for a fact Vector and Orion have patents out for their own in house designed technology.
    Then why sell them?

    d) good luck learning about business today without having this shoved down your throat. Its only the "Old Boys" in NZ business today that aren't following these mantras. If you want to change this - become a share holder and try and kick them out. Govt can't do shit here.
    Then how come so few NZ businesses are engaging in sustainable business practices compared to our trading partners and competitors? And how come so few CEOs have any understanding of the concept beyond thinking it's about recycling paper and buying a Prius?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    I want you both to be brutally honest with me...
    Good read mate...but have you posted it somewhere they may read it? Try their websites, or Facebook sites. Thanks for posting here (as well)...I certainly enjoyed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spajohn View Post
    Good read mate...but have you posted it somewhere they may read it? Try their websites, or Facebook sites. Thanks for posting here (as well)...I certainly enjoyed it.
    Thanks. I'm going to edit and tweak it and email it directly to them and to my local MP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    Thanks. I'm going to edit and tweak it and email it directly to them and to my local MP.
    If I get a tax increase Shrub, I am sending you the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    And most importantly, look beyond snip
    Good luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    I want you both to be brutally honest with me. I know enough to realise that we're kind of in the shit,etc.
    Nice thoughts, I doubt either of them can manage that at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    Looking at this, makes me wonder why we have a government at all, as all of the above is happening regardless whom gets in and what they do.
    You seemed to have put the polly's on some god like pedestal........saying they can changed these things. But they have changed, infact the govt contributions here are but a pin-prick as to what has changed these areas.

    a) What job? (seriously), as these things are already available

    b) Its built and growing, what we need is reinvestment from those who were "the starters", we have incubation centers setup by business groups - but the tech community has not returned the favors yet. We need tech incubation centers similar to Silicon Valleys. This will happen, and have nothing to do with govt.

    c) I seriously think you look at what the power co's are doing in association with many of the universities and businesses. I know for a fact Vector and Orion have patents out for their own in house designed technology.

    d) good luck learning about business today without having this shoved down your throat. Its only the "Old Boys" in NZ business today that aren't following these mantras. If you want to change this - become a share holder and try and kick them out. Govt can't do shit here.
    This is more realistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post

    I disagree. The universities are where a lot of the exciting and potentially profitable stuff comes from, yet they are facing decreasing funding, which means they need to import more commerce and law students from Asia. If I look at the thesis subjects from my fellow students, almost all of them are focussed on foreign problems which means nothing for NZ. I'm working on something that specifically impacts NZ businesses and when I've finished I'll have some answers that will help them become more profitable, but I am the minority.
    I've recently been involved with post-grad researchers working on industry projects (last few years.)

    Generally they seem to work off a whole slew of assumptions and can save millions of dollars, and when the assumptions are reality checked, the project ends up a very expensive exercise in wishful thinking.
    Keep on chooglin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smifffy View Post
    I've recently been involved with post-grad researchers working on industry projects (last few years.)

    Generally they seem to work off a whole slew of assumptions and can save millions of dollars, and when the assumptions are reality checked, the project ends up a very expensive exercise in wishful thinking.
    What industry? What were they working on? What were their assumptions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    And most importantly, look beyond the next election.
    This, IMH(F)O, is the problem.

    Politicians (of whatever creed, with the possible exception of the Greens) only think in three year cycles. There's no (personal) incentive to think beyond that. All they need is to fool enough of the people enough of the time to be re-elected.

    Setting up programs to raise living standards/wages etc is long term thinking (and would almost certainly include a tax hike) and political suicide because of it's unpopularity.

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    Good luck with that.
    Yeah, what he said.

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    Who are you kidding, Key's gonna win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    This, IMH(F)O, is the problem.

    Politicians (of whatever creed, with the possible exception of the Greens) only think in three year cycles. There's no (personal) incentive to think beyond that. All they need is to fool enough of the people enough of the time to be re-elected.

    Setting up programs to raise living standards/wages etc is long term thinking (and would almost certainly include a tax hike) and political suicide because of it's unpopularity..
    that's pretty much bang on the money

    Quote Originally Posted by Thaeos View Post
    Who are you kidding, Key's gonna win.
    I'd be very surprised if he didn't. I think the main reason National haven't actually done anything this term is because they didn't want to lose this election. They'll very likely lose the next election, but they'll have had 6 years in government and that will please them immensely. I also suspect Key will quite early in the next term and English will take over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    I also suspect Key will quite early in the next term and English will take over.
    Hmm, I dunno. English had a go - he's too much of a damp squib. You might be right on JK quitting, but there are probably some dark horses in the Nat list that they might throw in as a surprise.
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