For all of you wanking on about car drivers not looking

[Berries]

I was pissed that you deflected the blame

I'm on KB. I thought it was compulsory.

[rustic101]

The most dangerous vehicle on any road is always an Emergency Services vehicle. Their drivers are just unpredictable...

Its worse if you are blinded by their Hi Vis - never look directly at the vest...

[Ocean1]

I would have thought it was fairly bloody obvious that the bike rider should have seen the fire engine and given way to it.

One more time. Give way how?

The truck was on his side of the road with no indication as to where it was going. Anything he did could have put him exactly where the truck wanted to go.

The most dangerous vehicle on any road is always an Emergency Services vehicle. Their drivers are just unpredictable...

Looks that way to me.

[Banditbandit]

One more time. Give way how?

The truck was on his side of the road with no indication as to where it was going. Anything he did could have put him exactly where the truck wanted to go.



Looks that way to me.

No. Stopping outside the intersection would have been fine. As soon as the bike entered the intersection he was in the wrong.

[Ocean1]

No. Stopping outside the intersection would have been fine. As soon as the bike entered the intersection he was in the wrong.

Based on the timing shown in the video I'm not convinced he had that option. From the time he might be expected to have become aware of the truck, (and we can't know exactly where that was because his line of vision isn't clear) I'd say his options would have been limited in direct proportion to his understanding of where the truck wanted to go, and he would have had no idea about that because it wasn't indicating. If he'd pulled up and stopped immediately he saw the truck he could well have been sitting smack in the middle of the intersection, right where it eventually transpired the truck wanted to go.

It's not an attempt to mitigate any fault he might have bourne in the event of an accident, I just don't believe it's possible to demonstrate that he was at fault from that video, not by a long chalk.

[superman]

Food for thought when you start rarking up car drivers, especially you superman; who likes to chase down young girls.

You flatter me

[blackdog]

he was fully aware that the firetruck was coming, he just ASSUMED that it was going to be in it's own lane

upon hearing the siren (and i assure you he could) he should have stopped outside the intersection

100% bikers fault

[Banditbandit]

Based on the timing shown in the video I'm not convinced he had that option. From the time he might be expected to have become aware of the truck, (and we can't know exactly where that was because his line of vision isn't clear) I'd say his options would have been limited in direct proportion to his understanding of where the truck wanted to go, and he would have had no idea about that because it wasn't indicating. If he'd pulled up and stopped immediately he saw the truck he could well have been sitting smack in the middle of the intersection, right where it eventually transpired the truck wanted to go.

It's not an attempt to mitigate any fault he might have bourne in the event of an accident, I just don't believe it's possible to demonstrate that he was at fault from that video, not by a long chalk.

he was fully aware that the firetruck was coming, he just ASSUMED that it was going to be in it's own lane

upon hearing the siren (and i assure you he could) he should have stopped outside the intersection

100% bikers fault

Maybe ... Ocean may well be right. We don't actually know enough and have enough info ... I do know that intersection and from the position of the fire engine and the timing of the bike going through it's a reasonable assumption that an aware rider could have/would have stopped ... but we don't really know that for sure

[blackdog]

Maybe ... Ocean may well be right. We don't actually know enough and have enough info ... I do know that intersection and from the position of the fire engine and the timing of the bike going through it's a reasonable assumption that an aware rider could have/would have stopped ... but we don't really know that for sure

no

the reason i know is that i have been in exactly the same position at the same intersection, albeit the siren was the police. i heard him coming down taranaki st easily 100 metres before i reached the the intersection. the speed he was travelling would have put him 300-500 metres up taranaki st when i first heard him.

i stopped at the green light, he sped through, no problem. the dickhead blowing his horn behind me pissed me off though

[Ocean1]

from the position of the fire engine and the timing of the bike going through it's a reasonable assumption that an aware rider could have/would have stopped ... but we don't really know that for sure

Chances are he simply didn't have his shit together. You can see him hesitate half way through, either first realising that the truck was there, where it shouldn’t be or perhaps re-assessing it’s intent.

Either way there’s nowhere near enough information to be apportioning blame to that rider here, far less a court, and in fact I can piece together a sequence of events from that clip that, if accurate would have had him justifiably fucking angry. We’re far too damn quick to stone them around here.

[Berries]

One more time. Give way how?

The truck was on his side of the road with no indication as to where it was going. Anything he did could have put him exactly where the truck wanted to go.

My take is that if you hear a siren you need to be ready to get out of the way. Approaching an intersection you need to be ready to stop. I imagine the siren would be pretty loud so you would know something was up. A rider should have stopped at the entrance to the intersection until he knew it was safe to go or at least until he saw whatever vehicle it was making the noise. Seeing as how the fire engine had to brake when the rider turned in front of him I think it was all a bit close.

Of course, I wouldn't actually blame the rider. It was all those cagers waiting at the lights that forced the fire engine on to the wrong side of the road.