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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    You're not wrong, of course which is why I had the provisio in there. As with Iraq, though, the country, and the Middle East in general is less stable now. There never was going to be an easy answer. Democracy won't ever work in a country and for a people who have only ever known tribal/feudal extremeism and the rule of force.
    Why would you say that - it sounds rather condescending, in the extreme (although I know what you're getting at)
    Egypt's troubles have only just started. The head of the army is an old mate of Mubaraks, all the systems that oppressed the populace are still in place, and the cost of wheat, which was the catalyst for the whole scenario is still high. As well as that, the West will be manouvering behind the scenes to slot another puppet into place.
    One of the reasons, that Islam is so prevalent in these uprisings, is because the mosque is one of the only places that people can gather, hence the influence of the Mullahs is very strong.
    The Tunisian and Egyptian protests have been remarkable for there spontanaity - the "Muslim brotherhood" have played a lesser part than normal, although they are the only really organised group involved.

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    Hence, because most people can't handle the truth, they turn to some "power", they make up, to justify what they do, and a make believe after-life so they don't have to face reality and come to terms with themselves!
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    It's spreading. Anyone want to guess how far it's going to go...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    It's spreading. Anyone want to guess how far it's going to go...?
    do you mean in relation to geography? or the amount of dead people it will take to make countries realise that their people aren't happy with the way they're running the country?

    I'm still gonna go for the US, partly as they're talking about shutting down the govt on a periodic basis, states are talking about their own currencies, they're allowing people in some states to carry guns pretty much anytime any place and their leadership seems to be just as narrow minded as every other western country, or eastern for that matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    do you mean in relation to geography? or the amount of dead people it will take to make countries realise that their people aren't happy with the way they're running the country?

    I'm still gonna go for the US, partly as they're talking about shutting down the govt on a periodic basis, states are talking about their own currencies, they're allowing people in some states to carry guns pretty much anytime any place and their leadership seems to be just as narrow minded as every other western country, or eastern for that matter...

    What ya thinkin Ed?
    I'm thinking that what we are seeing is unprecedented. The civil unrest is occurring in countries you would not expect it to occur, totalitarian countries ruled by force, even China is starting to experience the disatisfaction of the people. Who would have guessed such as Libya to undergo this uprising?

    What is occurring now is unsettling the US Govt. they simply don't know how to respond, who to support, what action, if any, to take.

    The stable West is being challenged in a way it's not used to and the "stable" East is experiencing the unexpected and they are not sure how to respond. Do they shoot their citizens or aquiesce?

    Yes, I'm thinking, alright, I'm wondering what everyone else is thinking...
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    heh, i've read some of the US media released quotes and they are pretty much kiss and make up "speeches"... but I do wonder who they're rootin for though ...

    I reckon once enough of a population clicks that it's the people in power that are the problem and not the political system, that's when the real fun and games are gonna start... we're just seeing the foreplay at the mo...

    Funny how those in power believe they know better than everyone else and will fight to stay where they are...
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    When the peasants with the oil revolt, all bets are off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    When the peasants with the oil revolt, all bets are off.
    and the price of oil rises?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Funny how those in power believe they know better than everyone else and will fight to stay where they are...
    Why are there markets for drugs ... it's just part of our human make up ... dependency!

    I.E. The politicians get hooked on the money, the look at me factor and the life style ... it sure beats selling burgers at MacDonald's!

    Their struggle is to get to the top of the pile and surround themselves with controllable fuckwits that will bust their balls to please them!

    The same thing is happening in every other human pile of shit.

    The politicians throw titbits to the media and create their own "in" group of journalists who write and present the bullshit they need to stay in the public eye!

    It's not what they know, it's who they know and how can they benefit from it!

    That's why the wrong people are always at the top, it's because no matter how well we dress it up, humans are basically scavengers and grovellers, it's just the way we are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post

    I.E. The politicians get hooked on the money, the look at me factor and the life style ... it sure beats selling burgers at MacDonald's!
    Power corrupts pollies. Some people get off on money or money buying them power but pollies love pointing out how they gave up the ability to make more money to take on the job, they calm its to server the people but its because it gives them the obvious power as opposed to behind the scenes power.
    1/ All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    2/ The love of money is the root of all evil.
    I think they are the two quotes from time immemorial

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    Great article in this week's Time magazine. Interesting to discover the input of a member of Google's executive committee to the Egyptian revolution (Wael Ghonim).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    I'm thinking that what we are seeing is unprecedented.

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    Yes, I'm thinking, alright, I'm wondering what everyone else is thinking...
    Me? I'm thinking this is kind of similar to the dominos of the former soviet block toppling...in some of these countries we'll get real democracy and in others the population will find themselves drawn to elect some former military strongman type who will bend the rules around to suit himself (c.f Vlad Putin)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    Me? I'm thinking this is kind of similar to the dominos of the former soviet block toppling...in some of these countries we'll get real democracy and in others the population will find themselves drawn to elect some former military strongman type who will bend the rules around to suit himself (c.f Vlad Putin)
    Well, the former Soviet Block was a union of countries with their own local governments who seceeded from the Union. What we have here are individual countries breaking down within themselves, rather more precarious. Even the USA and Australia with a statehood would be different, though more disrupting than the USSR breakup.

    We are seeing the common people in the street, revolting against their governments, and the fact that so many are prepared to die in totalitarian countries is unprecedented. Imagine if China, where there is some unrest already in the news, collapsed in the same way?

    Of course my thoughts are that this situation has been very accurately foretold and is of little surprise to me.
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